All right, kids. You are all so filled with opinions and ideas, I'm going to give you the chance to help shape the Magnamund Magic sourcebook.

If you had to pick 10 magic using classes to get their own 12 page sections with character class, spells, items, and other lore, what would they be?

Choose your favorite ten, keeping in mind that as per my promise, Shianti Sorcerer is already spoken for and approved.

Take care,
-August

_________________
"This is a blanket apology to every god I can think of and all the ones I don't know. I have no idea what I did or in which life I did it, but I am really sorry. Ummm, my bad."

Hello August:

Thanks for soliciting our feedback!

I can only think of 4, perhaps 5 iconic magic using professions I would like to see fleshed out, myself:

1. Vakeros
2. Order of Herbalish
3. Cener Druid
4. Nadzirinim (if not already in Darklands supplement)
5. Shadakine Wytch (folks like Mother Magri, Mother Kowloon, Tanith, etc.)

Well, I'd certainly like to see how the Ziran and the Nadziranim are different (if they are at all in the RPG).

http://www.projectaon.org/xhtml/lw/10tdot/sect252.htm

_________________
How to use the Sommerswerd in the Archery Contest
Lone Wolf: "Look what I can do!" *chops Altan's leg off*
Altan: "AAAAAAAAA!!! AAAAAAAA!!! AAAAAAA!!!"

Holmes beat me to my recomandations.

I strongly second:
Vakeros (very strongly second that one)
Shadakine Wytch
Order of Herbalish
Cener Druid

Also I would include:
Sorcerer-warlords of Vassagonia
Herbwarden (if their is a difference between them and a member of the Order of Herbalish, I was never quite too sure)

I also agree that any Darkland magic user to be included if they are not already in the Darkland book, as I would like to see the Nadzirinim.

_________________
"Intelligence is only a recent adaptive strategy in evolutionary time; life is still debating its usefulness…" - Dr. Jim Grant, 2001. (Concordia University)

... *reads again* ...

*hurriedly starts typing*

Hey, thanks for asking that, August! I'll gladly comply; here are the classes that I would love to see.


Let's start with my favourites:

The Vakeros - naturally.

The Shadakine Wytch. Tanith was my favourite Grey Star companion and a fascinating character!

The Kundi Shaman. Cranky old Urik was also a great companion!

The Cener Druid. Roark's summoning of Tagazin and the fact that The Prisoners of Time (paragraph 84) called Gardor Vezh (the Chief Druid of Malis Mound) a necromancer should nicely qualify them for a book on magic ...

The Nadziran, should they in fact be considered playable characters. (Maybe a Minor Nadziran who can only transform into wee little dragons? )

And, of course, the Shianti Wizard. (They were called "wizards" the gamebooks, weren't they? And that magical ability was called Sorcery? The German translation can be a bit confusing in that matter, as the name for that ability would retranslate as "Wizardry" ... )

Now for a few classes whose qualifications as capable of magic may be in doubt, though:

The Herbwarden of Bautar - were they the same as the Herbalish? I never was completely clear on that. If they weren't, both would be interesting ...

The Magician, like Cyrilus from The Kingdoms of Terror, who claimed "no great understanding of the arcane" ... Maybe he really had no supernatural abilities at all, but then again, maybe he was just ... modest about his talents? I could easily imagine him as a kind of "charlatan" and "illusionist" who travels across the country to entertain people at fairs, be it alone or with troubadours like the Asajir Players. Of course his powers would be modest compared to the Brotherhood mages, but such subtle magics, probably based on enchantments, phantasms and a fortune-teller's craft, fuzzily bordering on mundane legerdemain, could be a lot of fun!

The Astrologer or Sage, based mainly on Gwynian and his colleagues from Varetta's Brass Street. Gwynian was capable of magic, but maybe he was the exception to the rule?

And here's one which might not even have a raison d'être ...

The Kirlundin Wytch - maybe I'm on the wrong track, as Aieta Nematah was called the Wytch of the Kirlundin Isles (as in "the only one"; compare Prisoners of Time, paragraph 84, again), but somehow I like the ideas of witches on these isles ... Especially after tales I have heard of witches on the coasts of Scotland, cursing sailors and calling up storms ...

*counts* Yep, that's ten.


[dreamily] ... their own 12 page sections ... [/dreamily]


Paido, already exited at the apparent prospect of seeing ten new classes ...

_________________
"He tried to kill me!" -- Lone Wolf
.
"Foolish fellow. He'll not try that again." -- Paido

Hi! what a good news...
Please make the Vakeros class...

Based on the boardgame from the "Magnamund Companion", I would hazard the Herbwarden of Bautar is another name for a member of the Order of Herbalish.

Considering the background of the Herbwardens as being a splinter group of the Cener (whose purpose was to combat the diseases spread by the Cener), it may be logical that they might be two sides of the same coin, magically?

Yes, the were Shianti Wizards.
I'm just going to cast my vote to second Paido's response - it covers everything I can think of plus some.

_________________
Gangrel meets Stargazer crossed with a Shianti Wizard & Follower of Kwon, with a penchant for backpack-mounted rockets and wrist launched grapnels. Emblazoned upon the chest, a black-on-yellow bat, and slung across the shoulders is a 12-string guitar....

First of all, thank you August for this topic.
Now to the classes:

Vakeros
Liganim
Ziran
The warrior-mage from Bhanar who appears in book 23, I don't remember
his name...
Cener Druid
Order of Herbalish
Kundi Shaman
Shadakine Wytch
Shadakine Shaman (Ulonga from book 22)

Nyxator

I would think the following would be great:

Vakeros (very strongly second that one)
Shadakine Wytch
Order of Herbalish
Cener Druid
Nadziram
Kundi Shaman
Astrologer


If you want ten, heck..i don't even think everyone has suggested 10...so you could do all of the ones suggested here! That would be wonderful! Not all need be player character classes, they can also be used as NPC classes for powerful villans to pit against the PC's.

I'd also suggest a large herb section, magical item section, and rules to create your own magical items. Also some more info on different racial types of magic would be great, like for the dwarves, giants, darkspawn, etc. An extensive monster section of magic weilding monsters would be a great asset as well.

And, i'd like to see more depth on the psychic combat! More options! Feats? Items, creatures, maybe even a psychic class!

Thanks for the alternate suggestions, sunwolf, but this is a Magic of Magnamund book. Psychics will have to wait for another time.

-August

_________________
"This is a blanket apology to every god I can think of and all the ones I don't know. I have no idea what I did or in which life I did it, but I am really sorry. Ummm, my bad."

Herbalish aren't the same as Herbwardens, I don't believe; Madin Rendalim was an Herbwarden, and I *think* he was from Durenor.

As to the Ziran/Nadziranim thing, I always got the impression based on the illustration that a Ziran was a Drakkarim with a few Nadziranim levels. A fighter/wizard, in DnD terms. Remember based on other illustrations the full Nadziranim are cowled, taloned, apparently skinny nonhuman things.

1. Vakeros
2. Nadziranim
3. Herbwarden
4. Cener Druid
5. Shadakine Wytch
6. Astrologer-Sage of Varetta
7. Necromancer (ie KoT-era Roark and Kezoor - I don't see them as the same as Ceners)
8. Kundi Shaman
9. Acolyte of Vashna (though that's perhaps covered by the Dark Cultist class from Darklands mentioned?)
10. Some sort of theocratic class from Valerion could be nice?

Seems like we're all pretty much in agreement on the first five.

#1 ) Vakeros
#2 ) Cener Druid
#3 ) Necromancy
#4 ) Herbwarden
#5 ) Astrologer
#6 ) Kundi Shaman
#7 ) Acolyte of Vashna
#8 ) Shianti Wizard
#9 ) Shakadine Witch
#10 ) Vassagonia Warlord-Sorcerer

_________________
Tale of the Twin Suns Yahoo Group

"I'll swallow your soul," Deadite qoute
"Only if I don't kill you with my +4 Keen Chain Saw first!" - Me

In order of preference:

1 - Herbwarden
2 - Vakeros Warrior
3 - Redeemer (if they used magic)
4 - Nadzirianim
5 - Cener Druid
6 - Shadakine Wytch
7 - Kundi Shaman
8 - ANy of the others already mentioned.

_________________
Coming soon: Adventurer, Solo Roleplaying Game

www.adventuregamesguild.com

I second this. A section specifically concerning the way magic influences the world of Magnamund and how ordanary people react to magic and magic users. More magic items, and magic wielding monsters...that can't hurt either. ^_^

_________________
-Jeff "Konig-Wolf" James

"Wolves strike without mercy." -Motto of the Tharkan Strikers