Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming
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Needs a better script, better camerawork. Better sound quality. Looks like a director is needed. Probably a producer. Still, what would I know? I have never made a film in my life.
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Sounds like the Producer has no real experience. Who is it?

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Apparently Ken Whitman is the producer. He has produced a web series before.sideranautae wrote:Sounds like the Producer has no real experience. Who is it?
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There ya go. No successful TV/movie experience Directing or Producing experience.Dracous wrote:Apparently Ken Whitman is the producer. He has produced a web series before.sideranautae wrote:Sounds like the Producer has no real experience. Who is it?
Can't believe that Marc would put it in his hands. Well, after last years total debacle I guess I can believe it.


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+1. Kill it. Kill it now. With nukes. From orbit. It's the only way to be sure.badpixie wrote:It looks absolutely awful. Kill it dead I say: with plasma beams and caustic criticism.
Amateurish. Crap.
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Wow. If not done for 100 million dollars by a big studio using Indian labor and Canadian actors it's not worth doing at all. I'm afraid I don't know what kickstarter means.
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"Don't just do something, stand there!"
Because that is always better, or maybe go lay on the couch and watch some telly. Stuff your face with some crisps.
Because that is always better, or maybe go lay on the couch and watch some telly. Stuff your face with some crisps.
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People think that Kickstarter can fund a TV pilot episode. Joss Whedon joked about using it once. But he's famous, and so are his franchises.Reynard wrote:Wow. If not done for 100 million dollars by a big studio using Indian labor and Canadian actors it's not worth doing at all. I'm afraid I don't know what kickstarter means.
Spinward Traveller needs a reality check, and to be honest about what it really wants to be. Iron Sky used crowdfunding. Took about 4 years to get 15 million in order to complete the film.
Spinward Traveller should have reached its goal a few times by now. The "show" will have to be filmed in a walk-in closest painted green, it looks like.
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Fair Call.Reynard wrote:Wow. If not done for 100 million dollars by a big studio using Indian labor and Canadian actors it's not worth doing at all. I'm afraid I don't know what kickstarter means.
With a little creativity the budget can be bought down from the hundreds of thousands of dollars a TV show episode usually needs. A budget of $30K does seem tiny however. While I am pretty sure they will find a way to make this with such a small budget, my concern is that in terms what Traveller fans want, an amateur production will not meet expectations. (What I have seen so far in the clips does look pretty amateur, the script has made me wince). It certainly does not meet the standards I would want with a Traveler movie/tv project. Since I am the target audience, and I am expected to buy this... in a way I suspect what I think may matter.
That does not mean that I don't wish them luck. I truly do. It's good to see someone giving it a go. Hell, I may even convince myself to throw them cash for trying. But by the looks of it, this is not the Traveller live action show I have been looking for.
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Honestly? This looks absolutely terrible. It's going to look to everyone outside the Traveller fanbase like a cheap knockoff of Firefly (the main character even looks a bit like Mal) - nobody's going to care if it's really from a relatively obscure SF RPG that they've probably never heard of.Reynard wrote:Wow. If not done for 100 million dollars by a big studio using Indian labor and Canadian actors it's not worth doing at all. I'm afraid I don't know what kickstarter means.
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There's a bit of an odd attitude here:
"It is Traveller and therefore we should support it."
Well no, actually. If its crap we shouldn't, and we should say so.
No, I'm not a Director. No, I'm not an actor. I'm just a viewer. But if something is sub par, I should - and do - say so. Otherwise it would be a bit like saying its ok to climb Mount Everest with just a Mars Bar and a Woolley Hat - just because I'm a climber and I should therefore support everything else every other climber does. Even if it's half assed crap.
One of the other Traveller players in our regular D20 group summed it up admirably.
"I'd actually pay Kickstarter money NOT to make this." 'Nuff said.
"It is Traveller and therefore we should support it."
Well no, actually. If its crap we shouldn't, and we should say so.
No, I'm not a Director. No, I'm not an actor. I'm just a viewer. But if something is sub par, I should - and do - say so. Otherwise it would be a bit like saying its ok to climb Mount Everest with just a Mars Bar and a Woolley Hat - just because I'm a climber and I should therefore support everything else every other climber does. Even if it's half assed crap.
One of the other Traveller players in our regular D20 group summed it up admirably.
"I'd actually pay Kickstarter money NOT to make this." 'Nuff said.
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T5's almost-instantaneously successful funding is a prime example of how blindly funding something can still produce a really bad product. Unfortunately a good chunk of the Traveller fanbase isn't particularly discerning about the material they acquire.badpixie wrote:There's a bit of an odd attitude here:
"It is Traveller and therefore we should support it."
Well no, actually. If its crap we shouldn't, and we should say so.
Maybe people have learned their lesson from that, I don't know. But you're absolutely right - bad product should be shunned, not supported. Funding something just because of the author or because of what it is when you have no idea of the quality or know that it's bad is just throwing money away and is sending the wrong message too.
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T5 should be the "Poster child" for that stated paradigm.Wil Mireu wrote:T5's almost-instantaneously successful funding is a prime example of how blindly funding something can still produce a really bad product. Unfortunately a good chunk of the Traveller fanbase isn't particularly discerning about the material they acquire.badpixie wrote:There's a bit of an odd attitude here:
"It is Traveller and therefore we should support it."
Well no, actually. If its crap we shouldn't, and we should say so.

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And yet there's nothing but bad mouthing of Mongoose Traveller and every other iteration to boot. Remind me again if every aspect of this game system stinks, why are you all here? Really, go buy... oh wait, they aren't published anymore. How about... oh, didn't last long either. Must not have had a reliable fan base. At least this kickstarter is based on a sci fi game that still exists!
And I do also own T5 with no problem and admiration for what it brings to Traveller.
And I do also own T5 with no problem and admiration for what it brings to Traveller.
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REALLY? Most people I game with like CT, MT MgT. Start playing with different people.Reynard wrote:And yet there's nothing but bad mouthing of Mongoose Traveller and every other iteration to boot.
Also, Star Wars rpg came out in '87 and has a fan base that makes Traveller's look nonexistent...
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Mongoose Traveller is a completed RPG system that supports other game settings. Traveller 5 is a backup of Marc Miller's Traveller files dumped into a PDF.Reynard wrote:And yet there's nothing but bad mouthing of Mongoose Traveller and every other iteration to boot. Remind me again if every aspect of this game system stinks, why are you all here? Really, go buy... oh wait, they aren't published anymore. How about... oh, didn't last long either. Must not have had a reliable fan base. At least this kickstarter is based on a sci fi game that still exists!
And I do also own T5 with no problem and admiration for what it brings to Traveller.
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Each to their own I guess.Reynard wrote:And I do also own T5 with no problem and admiration for what it brings to Traveller.
This doesn't alter the fact that some people seem to think, for some reason, that eveything with the Traveller name on it, or created/backed/endorsed by Marc must be backed and supported no matter what.
It shouldn't - each and every product should stand or fail on its own merit.
Spinward Traveller is clearly complete amateurish crap (and probabky complete vapourware to boot) and will do nothing positive ever for the Traveller brand (such as the brand actually is).
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I have no idea what you're going on about. Nobody's badmouthing MGT here.Reynard wrote:And yet there's nothing but bad mouthing of Mongoose Traveller and every other iteration to boot. Remind me again if every aspect of this game system stinks, why are you all here? Really, go buy... oh wait, they aren't published anymore. How about... oh, didn't last long either. Must not have had a reliable fan base. At least this kickstarter is based on a sci fi game that still exists!
You're one of the few then.And I do also own T5 with no problem and admiration for what it brings to Traveller.
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What this thread needs, is more horrible negativity.crazy_cat wrote:
Spinward Traveller is clearly complete amateurish crap (and probabky complete vapourware to boot) and will do nothing positive ever for the Traveller brand (such as the brand actually is).

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If they could keep it all on one topic thread I'd be happy to avoid that thread. I swear EVERY topic is something horribly negative about Traveller in general and whatever is specific to the thread. I happen to greatly enjoy Traveller and it get me feeling low with the constant downers.
Plug on I guess.
Plug on I guess.
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