Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby Dracous » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:41 pm

Needs a better script, better camerawork. Better sound quality. Looks like a director is needed. Probably a producer. Still, what would I know? I have never made a film in my life.
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby sideranautae » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:43 pm

Sounds like the Producer has no real experience. Who is it?
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby Dracous » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:01 pm

sideranautae wrote:Sounds like the Producer has no real experience. Who is it?
Apparently Ken Whitman is the producer. He has produced a web series before.
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby sideranautae » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:06 pm

Dracous wrote:
sideranautae wrote:Sounds like the Producer has no real experience. Who is it?
Apparently Ken Whitman is the producer. He has produced a web series before.
There ya go. No successful TV/movie experience Directing or Producing experience.

Can't believe that Marc would put it in his hands. Well, after last years total debacle I guess I can believe it. :(
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby crazy_cat » Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:49 pm

badpixie wrote:It looks absolutely awful. Kill it dead I say: with plasma beams and caustic criticism.

Amateurish. Crap.
+1. Kill it. Kill it now. With nukes. From orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby Reynard » Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:20 pm

Wow. If not done for 100 million dollars by a big studio using Indian labor and Canadian actors it's not worth doing at all. I'm afraid I don't know what kickstarter means.
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby dragoner » Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:28 pm

"Don't just do something, stand there!"

Because that is always better, or maybe go lay on the couch and watch some telly. Stuff your face with some crisps.
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby ShawnDriscoll » Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:37 pm

Reynard wrote:Wow. If not done for 100 million dollars by a big studio using Indian labor and Canadian actors it's not worth doing at all. I'm afraid I don't know what kickstarter means.
People think that Kickstarter can fund a TV pilot episode. Joss Whedon joked about using it once. But he's famous, and so are his franchises.

Spinward Traveller needs a reality check, and to be honest about what it really wants to be. Iron Sky used crowdfunding. Took about 4 years to get 15 million in order to complete the film.

Spinward Traveller should have reached its goal a few times by now. The "show" will have to be filmed in a walk-in closest painted green, it looks like.
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby Dracous » Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:40 am

Reynard wrote:Wow. If not done for 100 million dollars by a big studio using Indian labor and Canadian actors it's not worth doing at all. I'm afraid I don't know what kickstarter means.
Fair Call.
With a little creativity the budget can be bought down from the hundreds of thousands of dollars a TV show episode usually needs. A budget of $30K does seem tiny however. While I am pretty sure they will find a way to make this with such a small budget, my concern is that in terms what Traveller fans want, an amateur production will not meet expectations. (What I have seen so far in the clips does look pretty amateur, the script has made me wince). It certainly does not meet the standards I would want with a Traveler movie/tv project. Since I am the target audience, and I am expected to buy this... in a way I suspect what I think may matter.

That does not mean that I don't wish them luck. I truly do. It's good to see someone giving it a go. Hell, I may even convince myself to throw them cash for trying. But by the looks of it, this is not the Traveller live action show I have been looking for.
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby Wil Mireu » Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:10 am

Reynard wrote:Wow. If not done for 100 million dollars by a big studio using Indian labor and Canadian actors it's not worth doing at all. I'm afraid I don't know what kickstarter means.
Honestly? This looks absolutely terrible. It's going to look to everyone outside the Traveller fanbase like a cheap knockoff of Firefly (the main character even looks a bit like Mal) - nobody's going to care if it's really from a relatively obscure SF RPG that they've probably never heard of.
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby badpixie » Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:35 pm

There's a bit of an odd attitude here:

"It is Traveller and therefore we should support it."

Well no, actually. If its crap we shouldn't, and we should say so.

No, I'm not a Director. No, I'm not an actor. I'm just a viewer. But if something is sub par, I should - and do - say so. Otherwise it would be a bit like saying its ok to climb Mount Everest with just a Mars Bar and a Woolley Hat - just because I'm a climber and I should therefore support everything else every other climber does. Even if it's half assed crap.

One of the other Traveller players in our regular D20 group summed it up admirably.

"I'd actually pay Kickstarter money NOT to make this." 'Nuff said.
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby Wil Mireu » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:22 pm

badpixie wrote:There's a bit of an odd attitude here:

"It is Traveller and therefore we should support it."

Well no, actually. If its crap we shouldn't, and we should say so.
T5's almost-instantaneously successful funding is a prime example of how blindly funding something can still produce a really bad product. Unfortunately a good chunk of the Traveller fanbase isn't particularly discerning about the material they acquire.

Maybe people have learned their lesson from that, I don't know. But you're absolutely right - bad product should be shunned, not supported. Funding something just because of the author or because of what it is when you have no idea of the quality or know that it's bad is just throwing money away and is sending the wrong message too.
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby sideranautae » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:32 pm

Wil Mireu wrote:
badpixie wrote:There's a bit of an odd attitude here:

"It is Traveller and therefore we should support it."

Well no, actually. If its crap we shouldn't, and we should say so.
T5's almost-instantaneously successful funding is a prime example of how blindly funding something can still produce a really bad product. Unfortunately a good chunk of the Traveller fanbase isn't particularly discerning about the material they acquire.
T5 should be the "Poster child" for that stated paradigm.
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby Reynard » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:43 pm

And yet there's nothing but bad mouthing of Mongoose Traveller and every other iteration to boot. Remind me again if every aspect of this game system stinks, why are you all here? Really, go buy... oh wait, they aren't published anymore. How about... oh, didn't last long either. Must not have had a reliable fan base. At least this kickstarter is based on a sci fi game that still exists!

And I do also own T5 with no problem and admiration for what it brings to Traveller.
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby sideranautae » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:47 pm

Reynard wrote:And yet there's nothing but bad mouthing of Mongoose Traveller and every other iteration to boot.
REALLY? Most people I game with like CT, MT MgT. Start playing with different people.

Also, Star Wars rpg came out in '87 and has a fan base that makes Traveller's look nonexistent...
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby ShawnDriscoll » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:51 pm

Reynard wrote:And yet there's nothing but bad mouthing of Mongoose Traveller and every other iteration to boot. Remind me again if every aspect of this game system stinks, why are you all here? Really, go buy... oh wait, they aren't published anymore. How about... oh, didn't last long either. Must not have had a reliable fan base. At least this kickstarter is based on a sci fi game that still exists!

And I do also own T5 with no problem and admiration for what it brings to Traveller.
Mongoose Traveller is a completed RPG system that supports other game settings. Traveller 5 is a backup of Marc Miller's Traveller files dumped into a PDF.
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby crazy_cat » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:56 pm

Reynard wrote:And I do also own T5 with no problem and admiration for what it brings to Traveller.
Each to their own I guess.

This doesn't alter the fact that some people seem to think, for some reason, that eveything with the Traveller name on it, or created/backed/endorsed by Marc must be backed and supported no matter what.

It shouldn't - each and every product should stand or fail on its own merit.

Spinward Traveller is clearly complete amateurish crap (and probabky complete vapourware to boot) and will do nothing positive ever for the Traveller brand (such as the brand actually is).
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby Wil Mireu » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:56 pm

Reynard wrote:And yet there's nothing but bad mouthing of Mongoose Traveller and every other iteration to boot. Remind me again if every aspect of this game system stinks, why are you all here? Really, go buy... oh wait, they aren't published anymore. How about... oh, didn't last long either. Must not have had a reliable fan base. At least this kickstarter is based on a sci fi game that still exists!
I have no idea what you're going on about. Nobody's badmouthing MGT here.
And I do also own T5 with no problem and admiration for what it brings to Traveller.
You're one of the few then.
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby dragoner » Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:31 pm

crazy_cat wrote:

Spinward Traveller is clearly complete amateurish crap (and probabky complete vapourware to boot) and will do nothing positive ever for the Traveller brand (such as the brand actually is).
What this thread needs, is more horrible negativity. :mrgreen:
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Re: Spinward Traveller. Kickstarter Coming

Postby Reynard » Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:43 pm

If they could keep it all on one topic thread I'd be happy to avoid that thread. I swear EVERY topic is something horribly negative about Traveller in general and whatever is specific to the thread. I happen to greatly enjoy Traveller and it get me feeling low with the constant downers.

Plug on I guess.

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