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2300AD Thorez

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:40 pm
by middenface
Having some fun and games with some of the stuff I've done..
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Re: 2300AD Thorez

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:05 pm
by Lemnoc
Beautiful

Re: 2300AD Thorez

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:28 pm
by Mithras
Love the entire layout of that starship sheet. You could work for the company producing brochures!

Re: 2300AD Thorez

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:09 pm
by Ewan
It looks amazing.

Re: 2300AD Thorez

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:57 pm
by Lord High Munchkin
Nice, very nice indeed.

A question... are the cargo bay doors flat to the dorsal surface or "set-in"? I ask, as if proud they would be a serious source of drag.

Re: 2300AD Thorez

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:11 pm
by middenface
Why thankee kindly every body... (Kennedy next!)

The Cargo doors are raised... hmmm bad design there.. maybe some faring or bezle them... or set them back like you say.. I think I might have raised them higher that the original design/image had them.

Re: 2300AD Thorez

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:50 am
by Lord High Munchkin
Any raised door would be a serious source of danger whilst transiting through an atmosphere to surface.

Re: 2300AD Thorez

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:04 pm
by Captain Jonah
Lord High Munchkin wrote:Any raised door would be a serious source of danger whilst transiting through an atmosphere to surface.
Well it is the 2300s, you could assume that leading edge Plasma/Ionisation is in use so the risk of turbulence is minimal since the air isn't directly in contact with the hull.

Which would account for the ships all looking like aircraft despite mach 20+ re-entry speeds since they would have no need to belly flop into the atmosphere and could fly as normal without any need to worry about friction between the plasma/ionisation shield and advanced hull materials.

Re: 2300AD Thorez

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:15 pm
by Lemnoc
Lord High Munchkin wrote:Any raised door would be a serious source of danger whilst transiting through an atmosphere to surface.
I've always imagined the Thorez has its own internal cargo lifts, to hoist freight on worlds with sketchy starport services. It's otherwise a bit inefficient as a top loader. So maybe those raised doors illustrate that capacity and capability and are otherwise flush with the hull in flight.

Re: 2300AD Thorez

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:09 pm
by dragoner
Even if it isn't shown on the schematics, it could have a retractable cargo boom; cargo ships used to have them all the time, even the venerable old space shuttle. :wink:

Re: 2300AD Thorez

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:53 pm
by 2330ADUSA1
Very nice design if I say so myself. Do you have the floor plans on a seperate sheet that we can fully see? I think it makes for a perfect cargo hauler just as it is.

Re: 2300AD Thorez

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:05 pm
by middenface
2330ADUSA1 wrote:Very nice design if I say so myself. Do you have the floor plans on a seperate sheet that we can fully see? I think it makes for a perfect cargo hauler just as it is.
Thanks, but the plans are in the 2300AD book. This just me tarting up the plans as fancy art/promo craziness...

Looks good on my portfolio...

Re: 2300AD Thorez

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:46 am
by Lemnoc
middenface wrote:the plans are in the 2300AD book. This just me tarting up the plans as fancy art/promo craziness...
An interesting eddy in the development of the Thorez, Colin claims the height of the cargo bay is 6 meters. In an earlier exhaustive writeup on the Thorez, CW Hess pegged its height at 4 to 4.5 meters.

I have generally imagined the two access corridors that run the length of the ship back to engineering are, in fact, each two decks. The lower corridor I imagine to be enclosed and proof against the vacuum of space when the cargo doors are open. The upper I imagine to be a gantry open to the cargo bay and a place where you could run booms and cranes and come alongs and whatnot over the cargo.

I think you’d almost certainly need a configuration of this sort to both access the cargo and to reach engineering in the event of a breach in the cargo hold.

These decks would be horribly cramped at 4-4.5 meters, especially with hull miters for aerodynamics. Or, possibly, one corridor is open to the cargo and the other is closed for access to engineering in the event the bay is open to space.

In Colin’s more generous architecture these corridors and catwalks would also be more generous, with room even for conduit and tanks.

A 6-meter high Thorez makes more sense, economically, as a freight hauler; but it displaces a much greater volume and is in fact a much more substantial starcraft in every way than the 4-meter version.

Re: 2300AD Thorez

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:57 pm
by Colin
At 200 tons, it's about the size of a traveller free trader. Ian actually worked out the deck sizes and heights based on his model, so I would think that they are fairly accurate. Over 25% of the design is fuel...