Deneb Sector and Solomani Rim Now Available

lastbesthope · **Posted:** Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:18 pm

Ewan wrote:

IanBruntlett wrote:

Deneb sector and Solomani Rim have disappeared from the Release Schedule completely!

What's going on?

I would guess that in Mongoose Publishing eyes they are now available as they were in their online shop in August and we are now in October.

In my opinion they should still be on the release schedule until they are available in my local games store and a general release date given.

+1

LBH

RichardP · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:40 am

Apparently mongoose have not done a print run for general distribution to game stores at the moment. They say they will getting a print run done soon but no dates. At the moment if you want a copy its either the PDF version or a hardcopy on direct mail order from mongoose.

Less than ideal and bad for local game shops

lastbesthope · **Posted:** Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:07 pm

Yeah,

I like to support my local gaming shop. If I have to I'll store up a list and make a shopping run to a Club Mongnoose. Or with the new flat rate shipping just order it mail order, but I much prefer to buy from my FLGS

LBH

Somebody · **Joined:** Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:18 pm **Posts:** 1226

FLGS these days is Amazon so PDF (or Kindle) is a clear alternative. Lighter, cleaner, easier to do Handouts [maybe even as PPF]

lastbesthope · **Posted:** Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:58 pm

Back in the day Mongoose had a bit on their webiste about supporting the brick and mortar (generic term, not the free pdf scheme), can't find it any more. ANd the lack of a proper distribution run speaks volumes.

LBH

Somebody · **Joined:** Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:18 pm **Posts:** 1226

lastbesthope wrote:

Back in the day Mongoose had a bit on their webiste about supporting the brick and mortar (generic term, not the free pdf scheme), can't find it any more. ANd the lack of a proper distribution run speaks volumes.

LBH

Even if the Mongoose crew would hand deliver the books to the FLGS "through wind, rain and shrapnel hail" I would still be forced to buy Amazon. The next FLGS ist 80km these days and that is a WhitePoodle/Das Spielen Andere shop that carries NO SciFi. And no, I am not living in the middle of nowhere. Capital city (> 230.000 inhabitants) in a densly settled area of germany

The B&M shops are dying by the dozend for various reasons (My other hobby, Scale Modeling has similar problems). Those that survive are "game shops" with a (very) small RPG corner. And those do not stock Traveller/CP2020/RIFTS or other "small" game systems since they have low turnovers and consume space.

Most shops are also badly located/have no parking space/lousy bus reachability and most of the time the guy in there is "bored teenager to stupid to get a better paying job" and not a hobbist (At least THAT ist better in ScaleModeling) Add in opening hours not suited for people with a regular 9-17 job (And those are the ones with the money) and the spiral gets faster by the second.

Now enter Amazon and/or DTRPG and Kindle/PDF versions. I can buy the book "just in time" and have it within minutes, it is cheaper and the preview often is "as good as" what I can get in many shops these days (Gone are the shops with ample space to browse a book in detail).

Possibly more important in D since at least the printed 13Mann translations are fixed price due to german laws (Buchpreisbindung) but each version (Softcover, Hardcover, EBook etc) can have a different price.

Add in that with books ordered by the Internet I have a "two weeks return and money back, no questions asked" option in germany (Fernabsatzgesetz) while buying a book in a store is a "take it, money is spend" situation (In germany the customer is king and the shop owner is Rob S. Pierre)

IanBruntlett · **Posted:** Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:57 pm

I've looked at the prices on Amazon UK and from Mongoose. If I buy Deneb sector and Solomani Rim then it's cheaper to buy from Mongoose. Cheapest of all is my FLGS.

I really want to support my FLGS. I really want to support Mongoose.

Ewan · **Joined:** Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:12 pm **Posts:** 66

IanBruntlett wrote:

I really want to support my FLGS. I really want to support Mongoose.

I agree.

All I want to know when (or if) it will be available from my FLGS.

Treebore · **Joined:** Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:55 pm **Posts:** 649

If I had a GOOD LGS I'd support it too, but I don't even have an LGS, so I do all my buying on line, so I go for the best price I can find when I am ready to buy, which is usually Amazon, but not always.

RichardP · **Posted:** Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:55 pm

Manchester is lucky with 3 game shops of varying quality, and I would like to keep it that way so I try to buy paper copies from them - also I still tend to find it easier to read a book than a computer screen.

Come on mongoose, get these books printed and sent out to the local game stores

lastbesthope · **Posted:** Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:40 pm

Somebody wrote:

The B&M shops are dying by the dozend for various reasons (My other hobby, Scale Modeling has similar problems).

True, but the publishers not even doing print runs to distribute to them is a tad unfair on them, no?

It's hard to keep going as an RPG store if the publishers won't sell you RPGs to sell on to your loyal customers.

LBH

Somebody · **Joined:** Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:18 pm **Posts:** 1226

lastbesthope wrote:

Somebody wrote:

The B&M shops are dying by the dozend for various reasons (My other hobby, Scale Modeling has similar problems).

True, but the publishers not even doing print runs to distribute to them is a tad unfair on them, no?

It's hard to keep going as an RPG store if the publishers won't sell you RPGs to sell on to your loyal customers.

LBH

Supply and demand at work. Similar again to model building.I would sacrify a peacenik or three for a 1:35 scale Roland or M48A2GA2 and even more for LARS from a major companie like Revell or Trumpeter. But most post - WW Two German armor / gear does not sell enough, the big sellers are Ronsons and Nazi tanks So the companies bring out Panther G version too late with three missing bolts on the third and fifth weel but no Roland

Same with PDF. They sell, they lock less capital and are always in stock. And with tablets everywhere they are a beautiful alternative to books. Last convention I carried unlimited blank Paper,Traveller, Twilight2000, Dark Conspiracy and CP2020 in a four pound package including a spare battery and a charger as well as the carry bag

So this is what gets produced accelerating the death spiral of the FLGS but possibly enhancing the health of the RPG producers and allowing new ways of customer support for errata and previews.For me that is okay since I prefer ebooks

msprange · **Joined:** Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:25 pm **Posts:** 12302

lastbesthope wrote:

True, but the publishers not even doing print runs to distribute to them is a tad unfair on them, no?

It's hard to keep going as an RPG store if the publishers won't sell you RPGs to sell on to your loyal customers.

LBH

Consider the reverse - is it fair for a publisher to print a book if shops do not buy them?

Don't panic too much about this, it is not an 'end of the world' thing and we will be going into more detail on it in the State of the Mongoose this year.

lastbesthope · **Posted:** Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:39 pm

msprange wrote:

lastbesthope wrote:

True, but the publishers not even doing print runs to distribute to them is a tad unfair on them, no?

It's hard to keep going as an RPG store if the publishers won't sell you RPGs to sell on to your loyal customers.

LBH

Consider the reverse - is it fair for a publisher to print a book if shops do not buy them?

Don't panic too much about this, it is not an 'end of the world' thing and we will be going into more detail on it in the State of the Mongoose this year.

Yes but what's the pointnof being a publisher if you "Don't publish and get damned for it" to paraphrase. If you make good books, people will ask for them in their shops and the shops will order them. You do seem to make god books, so not printing them for shops to stock seems .... well wrong basically.

As for a "fair", if you don't want to print books for distribution what's the point of being a publisher. You don't ask if it's fair for someone to open a fast food franchise if noone decides to go there and eat their food.

I get my books from my FLGS cheaper than I get them from Mongoose, it gives Mongoose, Esdevium and my FLGS their cut, and I don't pay postage on top of the purchase price. Win win YMMV

LBH

Somebody · **Joined:** Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:18 pm **Posts:** 1226

lastbesthope wrote:

msprange wrote:

lastbesthope wrote:

True, but the publishers not even doing print runs to distribute to them is a tad unfair on them, no?

It's hard to keep going as an RPG store if the publishers won't sell you RPGs to sell on to your loyal customers.

LBH

Consider the reverse - is it fair for a publisher to print a book if shops do not buy them?

Don't panic too much about this, it is not an 'end of the world' thing and we will be going into more detail on it in the State of the Mongoose this year.

Yes but what's the pointnof being a publisher if you "Don't publish and get damned for it" to paraphrase. If you make good books, people will ask for them in their shops and the shops will order them. You do seem to make god books, so not printing them for shops to stock seems .... well wrong basically.

As for a "fair", if you don't want to print books for distribution what's the point of being a publisher. You don't ask if it's fair for someone to open a fast food franchise if noone decides to go there and eat their food.

I get my books from my FLGS cheaper than I get them from Mongoose, it gives Mongoose, Esdevium and my FLGS their cut, and I don't pay postage on top of the purchase price. Win win YMMV

LBH

But they DO publish. Just not on dead trees anymore. One should distinguish between the media and the content. Content counts, the media is just a means. Media went from tree bark and stones to dead cows to dead trees and now it is electrons. IF Mongoose can keep Frank Freeloader in check by DRM/Watermarks/Enforcer Squads(1) AND it is better for their financial health than I can easily do without "physical books" and a LGS. I can still get 1st Edition Mercenary in one german LGS (2) and that is the only shop in a 1.100.000 people city with active roleplayers so turnover in SciFi seems to be slow.

(1) If you need enforcers, I still look quite mean behind an MG3 maschine gun

(2) Actually I'd ask one of the city archeologists to dig it out, he's more used to duststorms

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