Women of the Traveller Universe

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Women of the Traveller Universe

Postby kafka » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:13 am

Now this discussion has been going on over at the COTI (so if you have said your piece there...hold off and let some of the newer Traveller fans speak).

Which direction do you think Traveller artists should take their art for women (as Mongoose Traveller seems to do a good job portraying men but not so much women)

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Postby broken serenity » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:33 am

the newer one is very simbolic of an agent or merc type character to me and the first looks like more of a civilian type character, but both have there place in the traveller universe in my opinion.
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Postby Emperor Herdan » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:35 am

Less cheese and more realism.

Give the Women of Traveller their rightful dues. Thank heaven they can ditch the chain-mail bikini outfits for more futuristic functional outfits.

Yes.. there will always be the skimpy outfits, but there are also images of positive rolemodels, not always being the helpless damsel in distress (But then I've always been a fan of Ripley...).

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(a very minor note... I think the "modern" image just just a bit off in the proportions... I'm not sure if the head is just a bit too big... but might be the angle...)
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Re: Women of the Traveller Universe

Postby AndrewW » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:53 am

kafka wrote:Now this discussion has been going on over at the COTI (so if you have said your piece there...hold off and let some of the newer Traveller fans speak).
Now it's not just newer Traveller fans that use this forum and not COTI.
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Postby GypsyComet » Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:01 am

So you haven't seen the picture of the female Belter in Beltstrike yet, then?
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Postby rust » Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:01 am

I very much prefer the modern style, although I would not expect all wo-
men to be pretty and sexy. Compared to the typical "chainmail bikini",
I would even prefer Rosie the Riveter.
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Postby EDG » Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:17 am

Image

I think I just won the thread, didn't I. :)
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Postby rust » Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:23 am

EDG wrote: I think I just won the thread, didn't I. :)
In my opinion: Yes, indeed. :lol:
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Postby The Chef » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:00 am

Image

for the non gun toting warrior woman....
are you absolutly sure sir it does mean changing the bulb!
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Postby alex_greene » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:03 am

EDG wrote:Image

I think I just won the thread, didn't I. :)
Hands down.:) Coutdn't have put it better myself.
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Postby alex_greene » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:13 am

They don't all have to be pretty little baubles in skintight outfits, or "sheep walkin' on their hind legs," like Kaylee from Firefly in that horrendous layer cake dress in "Shindig." Dr Susan Colvin of USR ("I, Robot") was originally portrayed as a somewhat cold fish of a woman - possibly mature, but certainly career-driven, intellectual and emotionally as stunted as the robots she was in charge of designing.

Women in Traveller would need to be as athletically fit as their male counterparts, particularly if they're of a habit of getting into as many gunfights as their XY-chromosome endowed brethren; but "fit" here may not necessarily mean "36DD chest and multitonal blonde hair."

I have not seen that CT art for a long time. It reminds me that Traveller comes from around four years after the events of the TV series "Life On Mars," where sexism and racism were casually accepted norms, and where a strong female character in a British comic was considered astonishing and rare - vide the emotional impact on the readers of the time of the appearance of Judge Hershey in the Judge Child Quest, and of Psi-Judge Anderson in Judge Death's first outing.

Not to mention Halo Jones, Tyranny Rex,Durham Red and Venus Blue Genes, among others ...

I recommend James H Schmitz' books; his stories of Telzey Amberdon, Trigger Argee and the Hub depict strong female leads at a time when SF and fantasy were so drenched in testosterone that you couldn't turn a page without growing chest hairs from the fumes rising from the paper.
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Postby EDG » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:20 am

More seriously, my point really is that women are still going to be dressed in normal clothes. I suspect they're only going be wearing ridiculous getups like in kafka's second picture if they want to look hot for a party at a club. On a ship they're going to wear normal clothes (see Kaylee, or River, or Zoe from Firefly), uniform (see Ripley and Lambert from Alien, or even Vasquez from Aliens), or something else that's actually functional and useful.

I don't think anyone can really escape linking "women in art in Traveller" with "women's role in Traveller" in this sort of discussion because the art is going to portray women doing things in the Traveller universe. And unless it's a particularly misogynistic setting, there's no reason why women shouldn't be doing everything they're doing today and more. You'll have female pilots, construction engineers, medics, entertainers, belters, spies, soldiers, accountants, explorers, pioneers, leaders, and everything else.

What they won't be doing is prancing around in one-piece skintight breast-expanding/elevating spandex outfits (unless perhaps they're going out for the aforementioned night on the town). ;)
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Postby Mongoose_Will » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:50 am

Check out the character art in the latest Main rulebook print.

I make it my duty to represent the female half of the worlds.

Although some may not be quite sci fi enogh, a couple are there.

Check it out.
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Postby EDG » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:58 am

Mongoose_Will wrote:Check out the character art in the latest Main rulebook print.

I make it my duty to represent the female half of the worlds.

Although some may not be quite sci fi enogh, a couple are there.

Check it out.
Er, honestly? Almost all of those suffer from Big Chest Syndrome (with the sole exception of the Drifter). The Scholar is particularly silly (if any women looked like that at the conferences or on the field trips, you can bet that science would be a lot more popular!). And the Scouts one would be fine if she didn't look like she was wearing the same get-up as one of the Lamborghini girls out of the Cannonball Run :).

I realise that part of it might be like this to sell books, but tbh I think gratuitous tittiliation is one retro thing that we can do without nowadays.
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Postby rust » Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:01 am

Mongoose_Will wrote:Check out the character art in the latest Main rulebook print.
Yep, and I also like the illustrations from Spica's Career Book 1, espe-
cially the woman from the Clergy career. :)
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Postby Mongoose_Will » Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:32 am

Er, honestly? Almost all of those suffer from Big Chest Syndrome (with the sole exception of the Drifter). The Scholar is particularly silly (if any women looked like that at the conferences or on the field trips, you can bet that science would be a lot more popular!). And the Scouts one would be fine if she didn't look like she was wearing the same get-up as one of the Lamborghini girls out of the Cannonball Run Smile

Oakie doakie then, I will see to it myself that the majority of 'Big Chest Syndrome' cases are reduced. i think the Scout looks great :) maybe thats a special matrial that needs to be worn when going at insane speeds on her seemingly but obviously not normal 21st century motorcycle. it could be a super latex mercury cotton suit or something?

anyway females will still be included as much as the guys are :)
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Postby alex_greene » Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:33 am

Mongoose_Will wrote:Check out the character art in the latest Main rulebook print.

I make it my duty to represent the female half of the worlds.

Although some may not be quite sci fi enogh, a couple are there.

Check it out.
The most striking art I can think of at this moment is the Daredevil specialised branch of the High Command career from High Guard - the woman sitting in the pilot's seat, bruised and dinged up somewhat but still pushing her ship onwards, ever deeper into whatever Hell she's steering her vessel towards.

Majestic. :)
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Postby GJD » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:12 pm

EDG wrote:
Mongoose_Will wrote:Check out the character art in the latest Main rulebook print.

I make it my duty to represent the female half of the worlds.

Although some may not be quite sci fi enogh, a couple are there.

Check it out.
Er, honestly? Almost all of those suffer from Big Chest Syndrome (with the sole exception of the Drifter). The Scholar is particularly silly (if any women looked like that at the conferences or on the field trips, you can bet that science would be a lot more popular!). And the Scouts one would be fine if she didn't look like she was wearing the same get-up as one of the Lamborghini girls out of the Cannonball Run :).

I realise that part of it might be like this to sell books, but tbh I think gratuitous tittiliation is one retro thing that we can do without nowadays.
They look fine in my book. Has the art changed between print runs? For that matter, how can you tell which print run you have?

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Postby Mongoose_Will » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:25 pm

The latest Print run has individual Images for each character, not the standard half page block like in most of the other traveller books
(as i havnt done the art direction for those)
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Postby Gee4orce » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:59 pm

The Chef wrote:Image

for the non gun toting warrior woman....
This is right on the money as far as I'm concerned, and reminds me very much of:

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and, indeed:

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