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Re: Better Grav Vehicles For Starships

Posted: Sun May 24, 2020 1:20 pm
by Old School
One issue I have with the vehicle rules is that if you look at how large one “space” is, passenger seating takes up Way more space than it should. Unfortunately Mongoose has chosen a vehicle presentation template that doesn’t break down space and cost like the ship template does, but if I design a vehicle, I cut the amount of space required for passenger seating.

Re: Better Grav Vehicles For Starships

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:30 am
by Linwood
A couple of alternative explanations:
  • The 1-space provides enough room to accommodate someone in vacc suit / combat armor / battle dress.
    The 1-space seat indicates a work station or command chair; ordinary passengers get much smaller seats
    The 1-space seat includes integral life support and similar comforts
    The 1-space seat is designed to accommodate most sophonts

Re: Better Grav Vehicles For Starships

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:56 am
by heron61
Linwood wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:30 am
A couple of alternative explanations:
  • The 1-space provides enough room to accommodate someone in vacc suit / combat armor / battle dress.
    The 1-space seat indicates a work station or command chair; ordinary passengers get much smaller seats
    The 1-space seat includes integral life support and similar comforts
    The 1-space seat is designed to accommodate most sophonts
We know it can't be "includes integral life support" because life support requires additional spaces and expense - I personally like "indicates a work station or command chair", since a seat for the driver or other crew doesn't require any extra spaces.

Re: Better Grav Vehicles For Starships

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:13 pm
by gilthy
From earlier editions of Traveller, there are a couple of examples of vehicles in various publications.

I'm linking the original images by Rob Caswell on Deviantart (as he's the author).

From Grand Census comes this IIS 4-Man Air/Raft (Grand Census is (c) 1987 Digest Group Publication, original on p.19, one of the many items under "Landing Party Equipment" for Scouts)

Image: https://www.deviantart.com/robcaswell/a ... -377736690

Dimensions (according to the book): 4.5m long x 3m wide x 2m high. 27 kiloliter. 1 dTon = 13.5 kiloliter, so it should fit in the "usual" 4 dTon space reserved for an air/raft.
CT didn't come with a proper design sequence for vehicles (there was Striker). MT did have one.

MegaTraveller also had a book called "101 Vehicles", with (indeed) 101 vehicle designs, also by DGP (c) 1988.

There's a variety of air\rafts in the book.

This image collects most (all?) of them: https://www.deviantart.com/robcaswell/a ... -399407657

Interesting to note that the one most similar to a "standard" air/raft (4-man open top) only comes to 0.75 dTon.
The "Civilian Sedan" (TL 15 hegira enclosed air/raft) is 4 dTon.

In my current campaign, the Travellers have replaced the "standard" air/raft with the TL 11 Aurum Seeker "buggy", which is meant to serve as a belter's grav vehicle.

I've specced it as follows for Mongoose Traveller:

TL 11
Skill Flyer (grav)
Agility +1
Speed (Cruise) Fast (High)
Range (Cruise) 3000 (4500)
Crew 1
Passengers 4
Cargo 250kg
Hull 16
Shipping 4 Tons
Cost Cr 468,150

Equipment and Weapons
Control Systems (enhanced), Autopilot (advanced), Communications System (improved, 5000km range), Computer/2, Navigation System (improved), Sensor System (improved, 50km range), Vacuum Protection, Life Support (long term), Wet bar, Waldoes (manipulator arms, TL11, Str 15 Dex 12)