What would happen to these overstayers

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What would happen to these overstayers

Postby JMISBEST » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:40 am

For the benefit of A Modern-Day Version of Traveller what, in The UK, would happen to these 3 guys who only overstayed due to something going wrong that they had no control over. Here's more info

1's Visa ran out at 8.00AM but the customs guy accidentally used The Stamper whose leave by time bit was 8,00PM by mistake

1's flight home was due to leave a hour before his Visa ran out by delays due to a storm passing over 3 hours earlier then expected delayed it till after his Visa ran out

A tourist witnesses A Mob Killing, has to go into Witness Protection and can't have his Visa Renewed due to The Mobster definitely having the means to get the Witnesses location via bribery, blackmail, hypnotism, torture or taking hostages and they can't risk the mobster being desperate enough to blow the guys plane home up in and blame it on A Local Terrorist Cell
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Re: What would happen to these overstayers

Postby Sigtrygg » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:31 am

JMISBEST wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:40 am
For the benefit of A Modern-Day Version of Traveller what, in The UK, would happen to these 3 guys who only overstayed due to something going wrong that they had no control over. Here's more info

1's Visa ran out at 8.00AM but the customs guy accidentally used The Stamper whose leave by time bit was 8,00PM by mistake
That's not how visas work, but the guy with the visa has little to worry about since the chance of him coming to the attention of authorities is minimal. Roll against law level to avoid coming into contact with the authorities, with an additional roll per day or week for his visa expiry to be finally noticed and the relevant bodies. Here is a link that may be of use:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Force
1's flight home was due to leave a hour before his Visa ran out by delays due to a storm passing over 3 hours earlier then expected delayed it till after his Visa ran out
No problem just get on the next plane, but don't try and leave the airport...
A tourist witnesses A Mob Killing, has to go into Witness Protection and can't have his Visa Renewed due to The Mobster definitely having the means to get the Witnesses location via bribery, blackmail, hypnotism, torture or taking hostages and they can't risk the mobster being desperate enough to blow the guys plane home up in and blame it on A Local Terrorist Cell
Mob killing, in the UK? You are not from around these parts are you? Knife attack, acid attack, terrorist incident, drug gang maybe, but mob killing?

Anyway, if this guy is in 'witness protection' then the state will not be chasing after an expired visa, an extention or waiver could be issued.
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Re: What would happen to these overstayers

Postby Tom Kalbfus » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:34 am

Sigtrygg wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:31 am
JMISBEST wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:40 am
For the benefit of A Modern-Day Version of Traveller what, in The UK, would happen to these 3 guys who only overstayed due to something going wrong that they had no control over. Here's more info

1's Visa ran out at 8.00AM but the customs guy accidentally used The Stamper whose leave by time bit was 8,00PM by mistake
That's not how visas work, but the guy with the visa has little to worry about since the chance of him coming to the attention of authorities is minimal. Roll against law level to avoid coming into contact with the authorities, with an additional roll per day or week for his visa expiry to be finally noticed and the relevant bodies. Here is a link that may be of use:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Force
1's flight home was due to leave a hour before his Visa ran out by delays due to a storm passing over 3 hours earlier then expected delayed it till after his Visa ran out
No problem just get on the next plane, but don't try and leave the airport...
A tourist witnesses A Mob Killing, has to go into Witness Protection and can't have his Visa Renewed due to The Mobster definitely having the means to get the Witnesses location via bribery, blackmail, hypnotism, torture or taking hostages and they can't risk the mobster being desperate enough to blow the guys plane home up in and blame it on A Local Terrorist Cell
Mob killing, in the UK? You are not from around these parts are you? Knife attack, acid attack, terrorist incident, drug gang maybe, but mob killing?

Anyway, if this guy is in 'witness protection' then the state will not be chasing after an expired visa, an extention or waiver could be issued.
Does not the IRA count as a mob? There have been a few terrorist attacks as well, I think in some cases that could count as organized crime. By the way, how can you tell the difference between a mob killing and a terrorist attack?
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Re: What would happen to these overstayers

Postby Sigtrygg » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:52 am

Nope, the IRA are cowardly murderous terrorist scum.

'Mob' always brings to mind the glamourised American-Itallian mafia.

Most of the violence in UK that makes the news these days is gang related or terrorist linked. Organised crime 'hits' are rarely reported, unlike Russian assassination of innocents by chemical weapons.
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Re: What would happen to these overstayers

Postby M J Dougherty » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:58 pm

There is a precise definition of 'terrorist'. The term is used very loosely by some people, but in general incorrectly.
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Re: What would happen to these overstayers

Postby M J Dougherty » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:59 pm

A terrorist action is designed to cause fear for a political end. A 'mob' killing is more likely intended to remove opposition or derail interference in the group's business.
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Re: What would happen to these overstayers

Postby Greg Smith » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:39 pm

From Wikipedia:
To fund its campaign, the IRA was allegedly involved in criminal activities such as robberies, counterfeiting, protection rackets, kidnapping for ransom, fuel laundering and cigarette smuggling. The IRA also raised funds through donations and by running legitimate businesses such as taxi firms, social clubs, pubs and restaurants. It is estimated that, by the 1990s, the IRA needed £10.5 million a year to operate.
In the 70s, 80s and early 90s, being a witness against the IRA was the best way to get into some kind of witness protection in the UK.
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Re: What would happen to these overstayers

Postby Condottiere » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:42 pm

Theoretically, the Triads started out as resistance movements.

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