You should probably play out some High Guard. I suspect you might be thinking in terms of CT.Old School wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:10 amThe Harrier is too small to go up against a true combat vessel i.e. a destroyer or cruiser, that I agree with. But it could certainly destroy a type T corvette, a paramilitary vessel twice its size. I think the Pirates campaigns we’ve written about on this thread have shown its capabilities against Broadswords and Gazelles as well.
IMTU, military grade weapons aren’t commonly available on the open market for private buyers. That is a house rule, for certain, but so is your comment that “a real warship will have rad shielding”. RAW, Imperial navy ships don’t have radiation shielding until you get to cruiser size vessels. None of the destroyers or fleet escort vessels include it.
The Harrier is proof of technology over raw firepower. It would shred your free trader launching 24 missiles a turn, despite the trader’s obvious firepower advantage. Even with military sensors and radiation shielding, I’d take the Harrier. The only thin its own size that would overmatch is another particle beam equipped ship that also had radiation shielding.
But if we’re playing a game in which small combat vessels commonly come with radiation shielding, we have to give shielding to the Harrier as well. In that case, the only thing its own size that outmatches it would be a high tech level SDB. Ands thats the point of an SDB, that it can overwhelm a jump capable ship its own size.
The Gazelle is a terrible design in Mongoose. In CT High Guard it worked because it had a model 5 (6?) computer and there was "relative computer factor" DM in combat which made it very good against other ships of its size. Mongoose changes a lot of things and they chose not to redesign the ships. Rad shielding on a combat hull is required and either they have it, or the whole Imperium is bonkers or Mongoose rules need adjusting.
Considering the "missile bay free trader" which is a terrible design due to poor electronics, no radiation shielding, and other reasons, it still has a huge amount of firepower. Put that firepower on a rad shielded, lightly armored combat hull with proper electronics, and it'll be very much more effective.
Remember also that crew casualties (from rad) don't matter in the short term as anything built for combat will have CPU power to run virtual gunner and it will keep firing until you physically break something.
edit: Basically I regard your position as odd since who would win? A harrier with barbette firepower or a Harrier with bay f irepower? It's pretty obvious, isn't it? (And yes it can fit if you don't try to put cargo in a combatant).