Suggested prices and ways of disciplining

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Suggested prices and ways of disciplining

Postby JMISBEST » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:27 am

Can you please suggest prices for slave versions of the various types of crew you can, potentially, recruit in Pirates of Drinax and ways for disciplining?. I was thinking of A Stars Wars Episode 1 style Transmitter with options other then blow up, 2 examples being temporarily choke and cause mental pain. What do you think?. Also I've made slavery legal in this campaign
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Re: Suggested prices and ways of disciplining

Postby ShawnDriscoll » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:49 pm

Find out from your players what their gameplay thresholds are for your refereeing style.
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Re: Suggested prices and ways of disciplining

Postby steve98052 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:28 pm

On any type of complex work, it takes more effort to tell the difference between passive resistance to enslavement and limited skill or ordinary mistakes that the brutal style of slavery practiced in the slavery era US southeast is impractical. It's simply easier for a slave overseer to do the job himself than to watch a technical slave do the job closely enough to see that it's done right.

Instead, something more like a benevolent Roman slaveholder would be necessary. Imagine a Roman trader with a Greek translator handling his business correspondence with Greek associates. The Greek could easily include a note to offer a huge kickback to the correspondent to buy his freedom and bring him back to Greece. To keep the Greek from cheating him, the Roman owner had to gain his loyalty. That would include lots of priveleges (good food, slave women, etc.), the right to accumulate his own money and eventually buy his own freedom, legal rights not to be punished too brutally (by Roman standards), and other things that are not at all like a US field slave's conditions.

(It wasn't like that for all, or even most, Roman slaves. A mining slave, for example, might have the legal right to keep his own money and buy his freedom too, but the work was so exhausting and dangerous that practically all of them would be dead from overwork or injury in less than a year, long before they could buy their own freedom.)

So, if you want to allow slavery for complex jobs, think about that hypothetical Greek translator, not a US field slave. And in terms of the market price for a slave, it should be only moderately less expensive than the amortized cost of paying a free employee -- maybe five years of salary.
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Re: Suggested prices and ways of disciplining

Postby baithammer » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:57 pm

Technology can facilitate slavery.

Hook up slaves with a TL 14 Neural Comm running a performance and activity monitor slaved to a Central computer to do advanced analytics and you effectively have a fairly omniscient Taskmaster.
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Re: Suggested prices and ways of disciplining

Postby Condottiere » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:14 am

If the economic argument loses out, slavery would be a form of judicial punishment, or a way to demonstrate power dynamics.
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Re: Suggested prices and ways of disciplining

Postby baithammer » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:32 pm

Hasn't stopped anyone in our modern world and its only expensive if a:) don't have a large population to exploit b:) grant limited rights to the slaves, when neither condition applies slavery is only a few moral steps away.
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Re: Suggested prices and ways of disciplining

Postby phavoc » Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:18 pm

With a few exceptions, slaves have always been relegated to menial tasks. Having slaves, even with advanced control methods, flying ships and doing important tasks is a recipe for failure if it involves humans. People can be self destructive, not to mention angry about being a slave. Crashing the ship with the cruel overlord aboard isn't far fetched.
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Re: Suggested prices and ways of disciplining

Postby steve98052 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:22 pm

baithammer wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:57 pm
. . .
Hook up slaves with a TL 14 Neural Comm running a performance and activity monitor . . .
With that level of automation, slaves make no sense; having a robot do the job directly would be cheaper and more reliable.

As I wrote earlier:
steve98052 wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:28 pm
. . . It's simply easier for a slave overseer to do the job himself than to watch a technical slave do the job closely enough to see that it's done right.
. . .
That is true whether the overseer is a human or a robot.

Enslavement as judicial punishment may still make sense, but it's judicial sense, not economic sense. And for that purpose, menial labor works too. Which sentence sounds more plausible?
"To punish you for your crimes and deter others, you are sentenced to a lifetime of shoveling organic fertilizer on the baron's farm."
or
"To repay your debt to society, you are sentenced to a lifetime of service in the engine room of one of the baron's freight liners with an initial crew rank of Slave, grade 0."
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Re: Suggested prices and ways of disciplining

Postby Condottiere » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:01 pm

The character was born on the planet B3K, where she was sold by her parents to the Wife Bank. During her initial years Zev was raised by computers that taught her to become a perfect wife. As a result, the character became overweight and was rejected by her bridegroom.[4] Zev was then sentenced to become a love slave by being run through a device called the Lusticon, intended to transform her into a beautiful and brainless servant. Before the process could be successfully completed, a carnivorous reptile called a cluster lizard attempted to eat her but was fused to her DNA in the process. This enabled Zev to free herself. She then substituted the decapitated robot head of a 790 robot in the machine to be subjected to brainwashing.[5] This prompted the robot to fall in love with her.[6]
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Re: Suggested prices and ways of disciplining

Postby BigDogsRunning » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:42 pm

Condottiere wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:01 pm
The character was born on the planet B3K, where she was sold by her parents to the Wife Bank. During her initial years Zev was raised by computers that taught her to become a perfect wife. As a result, the character became overweight and was rejected by her bridegroom.[4] Zev was then sentenced to become a love slave by being run through a device called the Lusticon, intended to transform her into a beautiful and brainless servant. Before the process could be successfully completed, a carnivorous reptile called a cluster lizard attempted to eat her but was fused to her DNA in the process. This enabled Zev to free herself. She then substituted the decapitated robot head of a 790 robot in the machine to be subjected to brainwashing.[5] This prompted the robot to fall in love with her.[6]
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Re: Suggested prices and ways of disciplining

Postby PsiTraveller » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:25 am

Oghma uses slave labour to maintain the tech base to support its warlord ways if I recall. The willingness of slaves to misjump if they were crew might be problematic.
As was pointed out, once you get the computers and robots that can replace crew you should go robotic. Then all you have to worry about are hackers taking over your ship.


https://www.measuringworth.com/slavery.php

A site that shows a slave being worth anywhere from 20 000 to 140 000 dollars in todays money.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/humans-ar ... ya-2017-11

or for 400 dollars today in Libya.

If you want to control a population you can use fear and blackmail. Break a family up and allow them to visit each other occasionally. If one person breaks a rule, the rest of the family is punished, and told why. Video of the punishment can be shown to the slave. This plays family off against one another.
Drugs or cybernetic implants are other options. As long as they produce they get the antidote and can keep working. If they break a rule or escape then no antidote and bad things happen chemically.

Cybernetic implants could be attached to the vagus nerve. As long as the transmitter stays on the crew is functional. If it turns off they start to vomit, convulse and soil themselves. Look at the Jumper series for an example of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex_(novel)

More advanced implants could do all sorts of mayhem.
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Re: Suggested prices and ways of disciplining

Postby Linwood » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:46 pm

Debt slavery might not be uncommon as a form of judicial punishment - work as a slave laborer for X years until your debt is paid off. Or indentured servitude, which was pretty common in the US in colonial days.

IMTU I’ve created a multi-world polity on the Imperial border whose society has non-hereditary slavery as a punishment for failure. No one is born a slave and all children get a basic level of education, health care, etc. But all citizens are required to strive for perfection and to compete to be the best (strongest, most successful, etc). Those who don’t lose status; those who fail lose everything. But their children begin again as free citizens and nominally equal footing to everyone else.

Yes, I am all too familiar with performance reviews.... :(
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Re: Suggested prices and ways of disciplining

Postby Condottiere » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:49 pm

Try North Korea, where they place entire families into labour camps if someone related to them is deemed an enemy of the state.

And according to an account by one defector, she was forced to marry a nuclear technician as a perquisite for doing a dangerous job.

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