Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

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Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Tom Kalbfus » Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:54 pm

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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Infojunky » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:22 am

400 dTons?!? Where?
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby wbnc » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:55 am

Don't forget the anti-personnel plasma gun in a pop down mount for ground fire...

and you might consider the quad turrets as a single pulse laser...with alternate appearance.

otherwise nice work up.
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Condottiere » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:27 am

My estimate is hundred fifty tonnes, if you don't count fuel tanks.

And flattened sphere.
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Tom Kalbfus » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:34 pm

Infojunky wrote:400 dTons?!? Where?
the specs mentioned 100 metric tons of cargo, so I drew a circle around a 100 dton square, added an upper deck with a turrent, a turret on the bottom, and a third pop-up turret, I believe according to traveller rules, a starship with three turrets would have to be at least 300 dtons, so I started out with a 400 dton corsair, and modified it to have the features of the Millenium Falcon. Han Solo laid claim for it being the "fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy" I take that to be a slight exageration, but of course it is a fast ship, since Lando called him a pirate, I started with a Pirate's Corsair, which is 400 tons. The standard corsair has Jump 2 and thrust 3, I raised both to 4, so I needed bigger drives and power plant, all size H, and of course enough fuel to make a jump-4 The Falcon Specs mentions quad lasers, and the core rules only deal with triple turrets, so I created a quadruple turret and assigned a reasonable price for it. In A New Hope, the Falcon jettisoned its escape pods, so I added escape pods. In the Empire Strikes Back, The Falcon had its rear deflector shields knocked out, so I created a Deflector shield based on a black globe. In the classic High Guard, a minimum black globe was 10 displacement tons and cost MCr400, a major portion of the cost of this ship is the deflector shield which works by both reducing damage from energy weapons and absorbing 8 hits before any additional hits are applied to the structure, hull or compartments. After adding all this, reducing the number of staterooms from 10 to 4 and low berths from 20 to 8, there was 60 dtons of cargo space left.

This is of course a Classic Traveller Era Millenium Falcon, and not actually one from the Star Wars Universe, it can't speed across the Galaxy in a matter of hours, its jump drives are standard. It has enough fuel for four weeks of operation after making a jump. It has a fusion power plant and hydrogen fuel tanks. What the actual Millenium Falcon ran on, I'm not sure, the movies never said. The Falcon typically refuels at a starport, it doesn't have fuel scoops or fuel processors.
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Tom Kalbfus » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:39 pm

Condottiere wrote:My estimate is hundred fifty tonnes, if you don't count fuel tanks.

And flattened sphere.
Had to make it bigger to have 3 turrets, and had to give it a decent jump rating and maneuver rating to uphold its reputation as a "fast ship" this required larger fuel tanks, drives, and power plant, all size H. It has 3 quad lasers, one on top, one underneath, and one in a pop-up turrent next to the loading ramp, and controlled from the bridge Assume it is the overall Shape of the Millenial falcon, but make it bigger to equal 400 dtons. The rules for Star Wars ships and Traveller ships are somewhat different. Traveller ships tend to be more expensive that Star Wars ships, but Han won it in a high stakes card game, so it doesn't matter.
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Tom Kalbfus » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:52 pm

wbnc wrote:Don't forget the anti-personnel plasma gun in a pop down mount for ground fire...

and you might consider the quad turrets as a single pulse laser...with alternate appearance.

otherwise nice work up.
I assumed they were pulse lasers. I never seen it fire a beam weapon or missiles. So the two bits of nonstandard tech are the quad pules lasers and the deflector shield, which is by itself more than half the cost of this starship. It is "owned" by an actor named "Harrison Ford" 2.0 from the artificial planet Magrethera, a copy of the Earth, the fiction starship was also copied, since the AI that constructed it, didn't know precisely how it work, it substituted the closest traveller tech in had available and adjusted the starship's size accordingly, the deflector shield was of its own design. The replicant Actor "Harrison Ford" somehow has knowledge of how to fly this starship, some of the fictional Han Solo's memories were mixed in with his own. Also there were two robots discovered onboard the starship, and gold-plated humanoid robot C3PO who Harrison Ford one time tried to unmask thinking it was Anthony Daniels, but it turned out to be a real robot, the other robot that looks sort of like a dome-topped trash can called R2D2 that beeps and whistles and only C3PO can translate. Harrison Ford has been unable to locate Chewbacca or even the actor who played him, he signed on another Actor "William Shatner" as his crewmate, who's "Enterprise" has yet to be found. The two are just copies of Actors that lived a long time ago. Harrison Ford has memories of having a broken leg which according to him has miraculously mended with no sign of it ever being broken, he is careful around the hydrolic lift ramp door of the Falcon however!
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby AndrewW » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:36 pm

A beefed-up hyperdrive system is at the core of the Falcon's increased speed, which is well above the light-speed plus point one capability of the standard Corellian YT-1300. Four fuel slug tanks in the ship's power core give her an increased range, even at extreme speeds and engine temperatures. While repairs to her various systems must usually be performed each time the ship lands, she refuels at an average rate of only once per month.

The Falcon's increased speed let to the need for a more advanced navicomputer than that of the standard YT-1300. Precise calculations are required for the complex hyperspace entry and exit procedures used by faster-that-flight vessels, and the Falcon is no exception. Solo, using an unconventional (and usually risky) combination of different starship and droid logic systems has improvised a navicomputer processing matrix that not only works, but works well.

Lando Calrissian, the ship's former owner, replaced the standard Corellian twin-guns atop the Falcon with both dorsal and ventral quad-lasers. Solo later added even greater firepower by increasing the size of the each barrel's energization crystal, providing this ship with laser beam intensity that can destroy a pursuing light ship (such as a TIE fighter) with a single hit. These formidable weapons, designed for prolonged use without overheating, can be fired either from their corresponding turret stations or from the cockpit. Remote cockpit operation, however generally provides less accurate targeting than can be attained manually.

A third, steerable blaster cannon, smaller and far less powerful, can be lowered from a compartment in the Falcon's forward starboard hull. This weapon is only used while the Falcon is on the ground, and is controlled from a targeting panel in the cockpit.

Concussion missiles housed in the lower center-forward mandible can be fired with great accuracy from this same firing control panel. These missiles, powerful enough to penetrate any ship's hull (even through light shielding), pack more punch than either lasers or proton torpedoes can. Only two missiles were used by the Falcon in destroying the main reactor of Death Star II.

The Millennium Falcon carries a Solo-enhanced deflector shield system, one equal to any comparably-sized unit in use by Imperial forces. The ship's twin shield generator/projectors are housed against the forward main hull, protruding into the Falcon's mandibles. The shields can be angled and reinforced against enemy fire, making all deflector power available whether the Falcon is engaged in frontal attack or full retreat. In addition, a navigational deflector system mounted between the ship's forward mandibles normally keeps space ahead clear of small-to-microscopic impact debris.

One of the Falcon's most notable features her topside port-mounted radar dish, huge for a vessel her size and added by Solo as insurance against detection by distant foes. The dish and its hardware allow the Falcon to spot other ships in space (and then change course if necessary) several minutes before the possibly unfriendly vessels know the Falcon is there.

Cargo is generally on-and-offloaded via two port and starboard loading ports. These lead to the ship's three cargo holds the forward of which is the largest. Much of the vessels's propulsion and power allotment circuitry snakes its way through the bulkheads of the forward hold, with several removable floor and ceiling panels providing access. The aft blukhead of the room is dominated by the Falcon's engineering station, along with several large power, coolant and control conduits. An adjoining circuitry bay lies beyond a door in the portside bulkhead.

The ship normally carries five personal escape pods which are housed in an evacuation bay after of the power core. These life capsules can be ejected from the vessel's underside via a manually-opened hull panel between the Falcon's aft landing gear placements. At this time the Falcon carries only two escape pods, for three were dumped as a decoy when the ship was taken by tractor beam into the Death Star.
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Tom Kalbfus » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:05 pm

A beefed-up hyperdrive system is at the core of the Falcon's increased speed, which is well above the light-speed plus point one capability of the standard Corellian YT-1300. Four fuel slug tanks in the ship's power core give her an increased range, even at extreme speeds and engine temperatures. While repairs to her various systems must usually be performed each time the ship lands, she refuels at an average rate of only once per month.

The Falcon's increased speed let to the need for a more advanced navicomputer than that of the standard YT-1300. Precise calculations are required for the complex hyperspace entry and exit procedures used by faster-that-flight vessels, and the Falcon is no exception. Solo, using an unconventional (and usually risky) combination of different starship and droid logic systems has improvised a navicomputer processing matrix that not only works, but works well.

Lando Calrissian, the ship's former owner, replaced the standard Corellian twin-guns atop the Falcon with both dorsal and ventral quad-lasers. Solo later added even greater firepower by increasing the size of the each barrel's energization crystal, providing this ship with laser beam intensity that can destroy a pursuing light ship (such as a TIE fighter) with a single hit. These formidable weapons, designed for prolonged use without overheating, can be fired either from their corresponding turret stations or from the cockpit. Remote cockpit operation, however generally provides less accurate targeting than can be attained manually.

A third, steerable blaster cannon, smaller and far less powerful, can be lowered from a compartment in the Falcon's forward starboard hull. This weapon is only used while the Falcon is on the ground, and is controlled from a targeting panel in the cockpit.

Concussion missiles housed in the lower center-forward mandible can be fired with great accuracy from this same firing control panel. These missiles, powerful enough to penetrate any ship's hull (even through light shielding), pack more punch than either lasers or proton torpedoes can. Only two missiles were used by the Falcon in destroying the main reactor of Death Star II.

The Millennium Falcon carries a Solo-enhanced deflector shield system, one equal to any comparably-sized unit in use by Imperial forces. The ship's twin shield generator/projectors are housed against the forward main hull, protruding into the Falcon's mandibles. The shields can be angled and reinforced against enemy fire, making all deflector power available whether the Falcon is engaged in frontal attack or full retreat. In addition, a navigational deflector system mounted between the ship's forward mandibles normally keeps space ahead clear of small-to-microscopic impact debris.

One of the Falcon's most notable features her topside port-mounted radar dish, huge for a vessel her size and added by Solo as insurance against detection by distant foes. The dish and its hardware allow the Falcon to spot other ships in space (and then change course if necessary) several minutes before the possibly unfriendly vessels know the Falcon is there.

Cargo is generally on-and-offloaded via two port and starboard loading ports. These lead to the ship's three cargo holds the forward of which is the largest. Much of the vessels's propulsion and power allotment circuitry snakes its way through the bulkheads of the forward hold, with several removable floor and ceiling panels providing access. The aft blukhead of the room is dominated by the Falcon's engineering station, along with several large power, coolant and control conduits. An adjoining circuitry bay lies beyond a door in the portside bulkhead.

The ship normally carries five personal escape pods which are housed in an evacuation bay after of the power core. These life capsules can be ejected from the vessel's underside via a manually-opened hull panel between the Falcon's aft landing gear placements. At this time the Falcon carries only two escape pods, for three were dumped as a decoy when the ship was taken by tractor beam into the Death Star.
In the OTU, this ship is a rarity, quadruple turrets are not usually the norm, and black globe generators on private ships are unusual. As a merchant vessel this ship gives up cargo space for increased performance, usually the most expensive cargos are hauled in ships such as this. For a pirate, there is 100% profit in theft, so this sort of compensates for the limited cargo space of this starship. Of course "Captain Harrison" uses this starship to explore the neighboring systems around Magrethera, and he is likely to encounter a number of different races and civilizations. The Government of the "United States of Magrethera" hires this odd assortment of starships found on the planet's newly established starports, trying to figure out, just what's going on here!
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Infojunky » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:08 am

Tom Kalbfus wrote:
Infojunky wrote:400 dTons?!? Where?
the specs mentioned 100 metric tons of cargo
Y'all get that a 100 metric tons of cargo is around 10 dTons, or a single boxcar....

I'd call it 150 dtons give or take, a pair of single pulse laser turrets.... The pop-out mount was obviously something akin to a LMG...
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Infojunky » Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:20 am

Here is a good page for size comparisons... http://www.merzo.net/indexSD.html
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby ShawnDriscoll » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:02 am

I lay a square grid over the thing and start counting 2 squares to a dton.
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby tolcreator » Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:54 am

I make the Falcon to be about 135-150 tons in traveller terms, taking its length to be 26.7 meters.
The trouble is that the falcon makes little sense as a Traveller freighter: Cargo is too small, too many weapons (that are individually too small), etc.

You're probably best rounding it up to 200 tons, giving it 2 turrets, and saying that a stock YT1300 is probably a far trader type. The Falcon then sacrifices cargo space for bigger power plant, jump drive, sublight drive, and the fuel to make all that work. She'll struggle to justify her cost hauling freight, but she's a smuggling ship, hauling small but valuable items, avoiding Imperial Entanglements and with No Questions Asked.
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Reynard » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:23 pm

From other sources, the Falcon (a modified cargo transport or 'trader' not a corsair) had the two turrets with maxed out pulse lasers (a triple turret) and a fixed forward concussion missile launcher, essentially standard Traveller missiles. Han and Chewie heavily modified the Quads so give them Accurate and High Yield as they could hit and destroy TIE fighters. It also had a remote pop-up turret for the anti-personnel weapon. In Traveller terms, it would be a machinegun of a sort as it was very small in the movie and seemed more suppressive than dangerous to the armored troopers. I considered this since Traveller doesn't have a very small rapid fire energy weapon.

If you're making a Traveller equivalent, don't worry about screens as only larger capital ships carry those. All ships and craft in Star Wars have shield, Traveller doesn't. The Falcon wasn't that powerful compared to the actual fighting ships and the crew wasn't ever that rich to afford the very best. Remember a lot of things being attributed to the hardware of the Falcon was actually the skills of the crew.

As to the size, this site has a good deckplan of the MF with the grid being 1.5m on a side.

https://milleniumfalcondecklayout.wordpress.com/

Looking at a myriad of interior photos the height seems to be around 3m or two squares tall. The 'mandibles' and cockpit will add extra displacement but one can get a reasonable Traveller size.
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Reynard » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:27 pm

And don't forget to add Concealed Compartments from Book 6: Scoundrel page 87.
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Reynard » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:11 pm

Right, I'm seeing two references for dimensions for the Falcon. Many state a radius of about 13.5 meters and that deckplan I list has 20 meters. Respectively I get 170 dtons and 372 dtons without adding in the cockpit and mandible sections but could add a rounding 30 dtons or 200 and 400 dtons. I can rightly say Tom wants the higher number.
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby AndrewW » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:29 pm

Reynard wrote:All ships and craft in Star Wars have shield, Traveller doesn't.
Most TIE fighters lack shields, the Empire doesn't care about the individual pilots they are easy to replace.
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Reynard » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:41 pm

Ah yes, forgot. Still you really don't need screens on the majority of ships in Traveller so the Falcon can put the money and displacement elsewhere.
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Condottiere » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:44 pm

Having the pilot cabin being a bullseye doesn't help.

Though, by that logic, it can't be fun for an X-Wing pilot when someone manages to be in a position for a rear shot.
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Re: Millennium Falcon (Traveller version)

Postby Tom Kalbfus » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:03 pm

This is my latest on the stats for the Millenium Falcon Using the rules for Mongoose Traveller, and adding in my own for the deflector shield and the quad turrets which I extrapolated from the current table:
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This Millenium Falcon is 48 meters by 48 meters and 3 meters tall, not including the landing gear. I counted the squares and by my estimate it has a 400 ton hull. The colors of the squares indicate the portion of the ship with engines, fuels tanks, staterooms etc.

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