


Trivia the AN-225 is twice the size of an S-type.phavoc wrote:All depends on its mass (unpowered landings). The lift effect has to overcome it's mass or it drops like a rock. Also it has to have the right reentry angle in order to generate lift.
Size matters not, unless it can generate lift. And aerodynamics, too. You'll notice that pretty much all lift in an aircraft is provided for by the wings and not the body itself. Since an S-type has no wings...wbnc wrote:Trivia the AN-225 is twice the size of an S-type.phavoc wrote:All depends on its mass (unpowered landings). The lift effect has to overcome it's mass or it drops like a rock. Also it has to have the right reentry angle in order to generate lift.Way to go Antonov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWp9cGqHKiA
I just have them crash when that happens, similar to https://youtu.be/UV17B8oq_cE?t=12sTom Kalbfus wrote:Lets say the scout ship's maneuver drive was damaged, could it make an unpowered landing using its glide characteristic? It is basically a wedge-shaped hull, which means it is a flying wing. Seems the landing gear is not particularly designed for making runway landings.
There are ways to generate lift without an actual wing. There were experiments using airflow over a body to form small eddies of air that redirected airflow across the surface of an object. they worked fairly well, but since a wing is very cheap and simple to build the idea is pretty much a parlor trick for aeronautical engineers.phavoc wrote:Size matters not, unless it can generate lift. And aerodynamics, too. You'll notice that pretty much all lift in an aircraft is provided for by the wings and not the body itself. Since an S-type has no wings...wbnc wrote:Trivia the AN-225 is twice the size of an S-type.phavoc wrote:All depends on its mass (unpowered landings). The lift effect has to overcome it's mass or it drops like a rock. Also it has to have the right reentry angle in order to generate lift.Way to go Antonov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWp9cGqHKiA
If that happened in a game I was running I would assume the skids would be built to accommodate both vertical landings and landing on runways. Maybe the skids would have small rollers on the bottom. Or maybe they would be a bit like a WWI British tank where there would be tracks all around the skid.Tom Kalbfus wrote:Lets say the scout ship's maneuver drive was damaged, could it make an unpowered landing using its glide characteristic? It is basically a wedge-shaped hull, which means it is a flying wing. Seems the landing gear is not particularly designed for making runway landings.
phavoc wrote:Size matters not, unless it can generate lift. And aerodynamics, too. You'll notice that pretty much all lift in an aircraft is provided for by the wings and not the body itself. Since an S-type has no wings...wbnc wrote:Trivia the AN-225 is twice the size of an S-type.phavoc wrote:All depends on its mass (unpowered landings). The lift effect has to overcome it's mass or it drops like a rock. Also it has to have the right reentry angle in order to generate lift.Way to go Antonov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWp9cGqHKiA
Sure, but even those aircraft have wings, and also highly aerodynamic hulls that act as a wing. Scouts use crystal-iron for their hull, not lightweight composites and other techniques to minimize mass. Any craft designed for space travel is going to be optomized for that function. Meaning it needs to stand up to the rigors of spaceflight, micrometeorites, radiation, etc. With anti-gravity mass is no issue for takeoff, so they are going to build it to survive that.wbnc wrote:[There are ways to generate lift without an actual wing. There were experiments using airflow over a body to form small eddies of air that redirected airflow across the surface of an object. they worked fairly well, but since a wing is very cheap and simple to build the idea is pretty much a parlor trick for aeronautical engineers.
one design was to catch air at teh leading edge of an object and channel it through small tubes, the tubes released the air in a way that formed small eddies, and forced the air up and over the eddies, that fored the air flowing over the surface to take a slightly longer trip around the object on one side...which is what causes lift in a wing.
I'm not saying you could make an S-type fly on aerodynamic lift alone without a lifting hull, or wings..but it'd be a great way to explain how Aerofins could work on a body that has no visible fins for example...just intakes, air channels, and pop up panels/air-brakes built into the hull..might be a good twist to add to an S-type, or Fiery escort as an interesting modification..since both those types have fairly streamlined hulls.
middenface wrote:
Thanks, that is more of an interesting comment to me than the 'why, what and huh>? of the design.. 'High Orbit Drifter wrote:
Nice work. I assume you make the models yourself. What do you use, Maya, 3ds Max or something else?
Very good work. The stuff you have posted here and on your blog really capture the feeling of the CT designs.middenface wrote:Thanks, that is more of an interesting comment to me than the 'why, what and huh>? of the design.. 'High Orbit Drifter wrote:
Nice work. I assume you make the models yourself. What do you use, Maya, 3ds Max or something else?
I use Sketchup and lots of Photoshop work usually.. Oh and a render engine, Vray sometimes (a mate has it) and Indigo.
And yes I make these myself.
yes the blender learning curve is steep, very steep...and slipperyHigh Orbit Drifter wrote:Very good work. The stuff you have posted here and on your blog really capture the feeling of the CT designs.middenface wrote:Thanks, that is more of an interesting comment to me than the 'why, what and huh>? of the design.. 'High Orbit Drifter wrote:
Nice work. I assume you make the models yourself. What do you use, Maya, 3ds Max or something else?
I use Sketchup and lots of Photoshop work usually.. Oh and a render engine, Vray sometimes (a mate has it) and Indigo.
And yes I make these myself.
I've been trying to get into Blender but that learning curve is pretty steep, even for a modeling program.
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