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Career benefits

Postby phavoc » Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:48 pm

Pg142 – Career Benefits: Ship shares are now listed at 25%. They used to be 1%. On the next page it says ship shares are worth MCr 1. The previous versions had a ship share worth various amounts depending on what career the character was in and the price of the share of a ship they were supposed to get part of.
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Re: Career benefits

Postby -Daniel- » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:52 pm

phavoc wrote:Pg142 – Career Benefits: Ship shares are now listed at 25%. They used to be 1%. On the next page it says ship shares are worth MCr 1. The previous versions had a ship share worth various amounts depending on what career the character was in and the price of the share of a ship they were supposed to get part of.
Page 142 is talking about when you receive a ship as a benefit roll. I don't see anything on page 142 saying a "Share" is worth 25%. "Every time a ship is rolled as a benefit..." maybe you read this to mean a share by mistake?

And yes, 143 does list the Ship Shares as MCr1. Two different benefits with two different values.
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Re: Career benefits

Postby phavoc » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:14 pm

-Daniel- wrote:
phavoc wrote:Pg142 – Career Benefits: Ship shares are now listed at 25%. They used to be 1%. On the next page it says ship shares are worth MCr 1. The previous versions had a ship share worth various amounts depending on what career the character was in and the price of the share of a ship they were supposed to get part of.
Page 142 is talking about when you receive a ship as a benefit roll. I don't see anything on page 142 saying a "Share" is worth 25%. "Every time a ship is rolled as a benefit..." maybe you read this to mean a share by mistake?

And yes, 143 does list the Ship Shares as MCr1. Two different benefits with two different values.
did go and cross-reference the mustering out section and you are correct, there is now an additional change to the mustering out and it's possible to receive a 25% ship share as a benefit. So that part would be a totally new rule. I haven't reviewed that section yet.

The issue of a ship share's value is one that used to be based upon the value of the ship you were getting a share in (Lab ships are more expensive than traders, which are more expensive than scouts). So the valuation of a share is on a sliding scale, but the cash out option is fixed. I suppose chalk that up to new rules.

It would be like totally helpful if when they were making rule changes it would have been bolded or somehow called out so you know to look at it as a potential mistake or simply a change. Would save a lot of possible bug reporting!
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Re: Career benefits

Postby -Daniel- » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:19 pm

phavoc wrote: It would be like totally helpful if when they were making rule changes it would have been bolded or somehow called out so you know to look at it as a potential mistake or simply a change. Would save a lot of possible bug reporting!
I did a "double read through" with that in mind. I figured changes would catch me up. I still missed some anyways. LOL

I will admit I am unsure the reasons for the adjustment in the Ship Share other than to make it a fixed value benefit. The same for all folks.
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Re: Career benefits

Postby Captain Jonah » Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:53 pm

Ship benefits need to be changed a bit for flexibility.

The 25% on a ship benefit is all well and good but for a campaign starting a sector where Jump 1 is as much use as a chocolate tea pot what are the options, what is a ship benefit worth if taken as ship shares or can there be something to allow for smaller % taken on a far trader or a subby or some such. Maybe 20% off a Far trader, 15% on a fat trader and 10% on any other ship civilian ship would go a long way. Opens up the door for all sorts of odd stuff to suit campaigns other than the trader one

The first thing that will happen is people will house rule it anyway but maybe add the flexibility into the actual rules to make house rules unnecessary on this one.
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Re: Career benefits

Postby AKAramis » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:31 pm

A bit of history...
In CT, MT, and T20, ship receipts were in the following pattern for merchant, lab ship, corsair, and yacht
1st: Down payment made, 40 years owed
2nd-4th: 10 years payments made each

The Type S was simply a ship permanently assigned to the scout, and only one, no matter how many receipts.

In TNE, the concept of ship shares was introduced. You then rolled for the modifier for ship type based upon total party shares. Which gave a modifier to rolling for what kind of ship was received, based upon the category of the largest pool of shares.
Was really cool, and really a pain.

The ship share concept was migrated in, but changed by Gareth to a cash value. The problem was, people wanted to cash them in for cash...

The ship share concept was a simplification, but one designed to keep players always saddled with a mortgage... unless they stayed entirely within budget.

Note that a Scout share would be 100% of a scout if we want CT/MT equivalent... after 50% discount for guaranteed age (40+), that's MCr15

A Type A is around MCr40, and 5 receipts, so a share would be about MCr8.
A Type L is around MCr140, and 5 receipts, so a share would be about MCr28...
A Type K (Safari) is around MCr70, and 5 receipts... making a share about MCr14.

If we say, "Whichever kind has the most shares is the base type, other types' shares count as half the majority type's value" we can get the flexibility of TNE without the dual tables...
And add that every 20% of total price not paid is 10 years owed...
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Re: Career benefits

Postby phavoc » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:37 pm

AKAramis wrote:A bit of history...
In CT, MT, and T20, ship receipts were in the following pattern for merchant, lab ship, corsair, and yacht
1st: Down payment made, 40 years owed
2nd-4th: 10 years payments made each

The Type S was simply a ship permanently assigned to the scout, and only one, no matter how many receipts.

In TNE, the concept of ship shares was introduced. You then rolled for the modifier for ship type based upon total party shares. Which gave a modifier to rolling for what kind of ship was received, based upon the category of the largest pool of shares.
Was really cool, and really a pain.

The ship share concept was migrated in, but changed by Gareth to a cash value. The problem was, people wanted to cash them in for cash...

The ship share concept was a simplification, but one designed to keep players always saddled with a mortgage... unless they stayed entirely within budget.

Note that a Scout share would be 100% of a scout if we want CT/MT equivalent... after 50% discount for guaranteed age (40+), that's MCr15

A Type A is around MCr40, and 5 receipts, so a share would be about MCr8.
A Type L is around MCr140, and 5 receipts, so a share would be about MCr28...
A Type K (Safari) is around MCr70, and 5 receipts... making a share about MCr14.

If we say, "Whichever kind has the most shares is the base type, other types' shares count as half the majority type's value" we can get the flexibility of TNE without the dual tables...
And add that every 20% of total price not paid is 10 years owed...
Interesting historical breakdown there. Thanks for the background.

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