Victory at Sea: Cold War

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Victory at Sea: Cold War

Postby Joe_Dracos » Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:40 pm

Okay, so my little home brewed suppliment is coming along well.

I've almost finished the fleet lists (having cut out 4 fleets).

Here is the details.

Fleets

USSR
USA
Britain
France
Canada
China
Australia
Argentina

With the option to create a NATO task force.

4 types of units

Surface ships (mostly Destroyer or smaller)
Submarines
Missile weapons (Torpedoes included)
Aircraft (Choppers included)

Weapons of note

20mm CIWS (Phalanx)
British 30mm CIWS
Soviet Kastan missile gun system
Ship wreck missile

Units of note
Nimitz class carrier
Kirov class Cruiser
Kiev class aviation cruiser
Illustrious class Carrier (with Harriers!)

Anybody want any details on anything? Any Questions about the rules?
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Postby Wishbone » Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:10 pm

you've got to have stats for the old Ark Royal and her Buccaneers...

I've been contemplating a 60s RN fleet for a while.
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Postby Joe_Dracos » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:18 am

AUDACIOUS CLASS AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

R Name Builder Launched Commissioned De-Commissioned Comments
05 Eagle
ex Audacious Harland & Wolff, Belfast 19-Mar-1946 5-Oct-1951 1972 1978: Scrapped
09 Ark Royal Cammell Laird, Birkenhead 3-May-1950 28-Feb-1955 Dec 1978 1980: Scrapped

Eagle
Slide: Matterson Marine Collection

LENGTH 219.5m (hull) 257.6m (LOA - R09) 247.4m (LOA - R05)
BEAM 34.4m
DISPLACEMENT 43000 tons / 50786 tons (fl)
ARMAMENT
MACHINERY Parsons geared turbines; 4 props; 152000shp
SPEED 31 knots
RANGE
COMPLEMENT 2640 - 2750
AIRCRAFT 34 + 10 helicopters
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Postby DM » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:06 pm

Sounds interesting - when do we get to see the goodies? :)
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Postby Joe_Dracos » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:53 pm

well I will need some playtesters:P

At least 3 groups of 4 (or more) people.
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Postby Joe_Dracos » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:54 pm

Oh yeah,

I still need to finish aircraft and missiles first.

Unfortunately torpedoes are all to similar to give individual weapons to each nation (the alfa class can outrun its own torpedoes).
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Postby DM » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:31 am

Really? There are some pretty significant differences between many of the weapons fielded even by the "main players" during the Cold War. Quite a range of speeds, capabilities, ranges, fusing mechanisms, warhead sizes etc. all of which could probably be represented at a simple level in a VAS-type set of rules to give more "colour" to the rules.

Give me a shout via PM if you want any playtesting / commenting done
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Postby Joe_Dracos » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:27 pm

Yes there was/is a wide veriety, but so far in the context of my formula there really isn't that big of a difference.... so far.

Like I said, I continue working away. When I have the first rough draft ready I will PM you and anybody else who would like a gander :)
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Postby scorpioni » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:35 pm

I'd like a gander :D
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Postby Joe_Dracos » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:14 pm

Almost ready
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Postby Joe_Dracos » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:58 am

Just popping in to let you all know that it isn't finished yet. I am dealing with a desease that prevents me from working on any one project for to long a time.
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Postby fjodin » Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:39 pm

I wish you soon recovery
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Postby Joe_Dracos » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:20 am

thanks
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Postby DM » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:15 am

Sorry to hear you are poorly - get well soon Joe :)
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Postby Joe_Dracos » Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:38 pm

Here is something for you to chew on for the time being

List of Ships

Argentina
Colossus Class Carrier
Brooklyn Class Cruiser
Sumner Class Destroyer
Fletcher Class Destroyer
Gearing Class Destroyer
Sheffield Class Destroyer
Meko Class Frigate
Drummond Class Frigate
Type 209/1200 Class Submarine
TR-1700 Class Submarine
Abnaki & Achomawi class Patrol Boats
Sotoyomo class Patrol Boats
Murature Class Patrol Boats
TNC-45 Guided Missile Patrol Boats
Dabur Class Patrol Boats
Australia
Majestic Class Aircraft Carrier
Perth Class Destroyer
Daring Class Destroyer
Adelaide Class Frigate
River Class Destroyer Escort
Oberon Class Submarine
Fermantle Class Patrol Boat
Attack Class Patrol Boat
Canada (NATO)
Iroquois Class Destroyer
Annapolis Class Frigate
Mackenzie Class Frigate
Restiqouche Class Frigate
St Laurent Class Frigate
Oberon Class Submarine
China
Luda Class Destroyer
Jianghu Class Frigate
Ming Class Submarine
Han Class Submarine
Huangfeng Class Patrol Craft
France (NATO)
Clemenceau Class Aircraft Carrier
Colbert Class Cruiser
Jeanne D’Arc Class Helicopter Carrier
Forbin Class Destroyer
Aconit Class Destroyer
Cassard Class Destroyer
Georges Leygues Class Destroyer
Suffren Class Destroyer
Tourville Class Destroyer
D’Estienne D’Orves Class Frigate
Commandant Riviere Class Frigate
Le Redoutable Class Submarine
Amethyste Class Submarine
Daphne Class Submarine
Albatros Class Patrol Ship
P400 Class Patrol Ship
Sterne Class Patrol Craft
Trident Class Patrol Craft
Soviet Union
Kiev Class Aircraft Carrier
Kirov Class Cruiser
Slava Class Cruiser
Kara Class Cruiser
Kresta Class Cruiser
Admiral Chabanenko Class Destroyer
Udaloy Class Destroyer
Sovremennyy Class Destroyer
Kashin Class Destroyer
Krivak Class Frigate
Delta Class Ballistic Missile Submarine
Typhoon Class Ballistic Missile Submarine
Oscar Class SSGN
Echo Class SSGN
Akula Class SSN
Alfa Class SSN
Kilo Class Submarine
Parchim II Class Corvette
Grisha Class Corvette
Nanuchka Class Guided Missile Patrol Boat
Tarantul Class Guided Missile Patrol Boat
United Kingdom (NATO)
Invincible Class Aircraft Carrier
Centaur Class Aircraft Carrier
Sheffield Class Destroyer
County Class Destroyer
Boradsword Class Frigate
Amazon Class Frigate
Leander Class Frigate
Rothesay Class Frigate
Tribal Class Frigate
Whitby Class Frigate
Salisbury Class Frigate
Trafalgar Class Submarine
Swiftsure Class Submarine
Resolution Class Submarine
Oberon Class Submarine
Castle Class Patrol Boat
Isles Class Patrol Boat
United States (NATO)
Theodore Roosevelt Class Aircraft Carrier
Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier
Enterprise Class Aircraft Carrier
Kitty Hawk Class Aircraft Carrier
Forrestal Class Aircraft Carrier
Midway Class Aircraft Carrier
Iowa Class Battleship
Ticonderoga Class Cruiser
Virginia Class Cruiser
California Class Cruiser
Truxtun Class Cruiser
Belknap Class Cruiser
Bainbridge Class Cruiser
Leahy Class Cruiser
Kidd Class Destroyer
Spruance Class Destroyer
Adams Class Destroyer
Coontz Class Destroyer
Perry Class Frigate
Knox Class Frigate
Los Angeles Class Submarine
Ohio Class SSBN
Sturgeon Class Submarine
Permit Class Submarine

*Nuclear weapons that are normally carried by ships are still carried. The use of those weapons are restricted to fleets who purchase the use of them by spending a single Armageddon point or if your opponent uses them first.
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Postby Stormbringer » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:02 pm

You forgot that Canada had 2 majestic class carriers, HMCS Bonaventure and HMCS Magnificent and 2 light cruisers HMCS Ontario and HMCS Quebec. Also where is HMS Vanguard and The french has FS Richelieu and FS Jean Bart until the later 50's
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Postby Wishbone » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:35 pm

I'm sure more will appear in time... Patience is a virtue.
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Postby Joe_Dracos » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:00 am

This ship list is generated from ships in service from 1980-1990
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Postby Wishbone » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:21 am

in which case could i put in a reques for the following British ships: Hermes (carrier as at falklands), Fearless LPD and maybe a bit of RFA? Would be nice to do a falklands battle I think.
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Postby captainsmirk » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:32 pm

The Hermes is the Centaur-class Aircraft Carrier on the list since I believe she was the only ship of that type (even though she wasn't actually the same as the rest of the class, she was originally planned as one of them and still based on the same design) still in service in the 1980-1990 time period.


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