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Fleet size

Postby Reaverman » Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:01 pm

Ok this one is for the play testers, with regard to fleet sizes. Currently I have the following ships;

3 Tribal Class
3 J Class
2 Leander Class
1 York Class
1 Hood
2 George Vth class
5 U class subs

How big a fleet is that?
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Postby Sgt. Brassones » Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:55 am

Check out this page for fleet sizes in the Pacific. May be a little different for the Atlantic.

http://www.combinedfleet.com/map.htm
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Re: Fleet size

Postby Agis » Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:39 am

Reaverman wrote:Ok this one is for the play testers, with regard to fleet sizes. Currently I have the following ships;

3 Tribal Class
3 J Class
2 Leander Class
1 York Class
1 Hood
2 George Vth class
5 U class subs

How big a fleet is that?
I just wrote the PLs after each entry... :wink:
3 Tribal Class - Patrol
3 J Class - Patrol
2 Leander Class - Skirmish
1 York Class - Skirmish
1 Hood - War
2 George Vth class - ???
5 U class subs - ???
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Postby Reaverman » Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:19 am

Heavy cruisers are skirmish ? :shock:
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Postby Jellicoe » Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:33 am

Reaverman wrote:Heavy cruisers are skirmish ? :shock:
Second that :shock: , I guess there aren't that many levels then.
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Postby Lord David the Denied » Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:48 am

From the preview we saw the Queen Elizabeth class battleships are battle level, so war is obviously reserved for really scary ships, Bismarck, Iowa, et al.

If we assume the bigger heavy cruisers are at raid, then your average 6" or 8" heavy cruiser does belong at skirmish, especially if it's not that heavily armoured.
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Postby Wulf Corbett » Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:09 pm

Reaverman wrote:Heavy cruisers are skirmish ? :shock:
Some are. So are some Destroyers, and even the odd sub...

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Postby Alexb83 » Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:20 pm

Well, if the QEs are at battle, I guess that puts the Nelson class up at War, with the Iowa, Yamato etc.

Pretty much split out by weight of broadside :) Although the Bismarck was 10 000lb less than the Yamato... still, it's all relative.
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Postby Wulf Corbett » Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:22 pm

Alexb83 wrote:Pretty much split out by weight of broadside :) Although the Bismarck was 10 000lb less than the Yamato... still, it's all relative.
Survivability also came into it.

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Postby Alexb83 » Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:28 pm

Yes, very true - thickness and coverage of the armour belt is a big influence, as is speed.

'Speed is armour' afterall... *tries to dodge plunging fire*
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Postby Lord David the Denied » Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:18 pm

Can you give us how many battleships, heavy and light cruisers, destroyers, subs and carriers would be needed for a ten point battle fleet? Or is that classified still?
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Postby Wulf Corbett » Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:32 pm

Lord David the Denied wrote:Can you give us how many battleships, heavy and light cruisers, destroyers, subs and carriers would be needed for a ten point battle fleet? Or is that classified still?
That would depend on the 'battleships, heavy and light cruisers, destroyers, subs and carriers' - not all of them are the same PL!

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Postby Lord David the Denied » Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:38 pm

Assuming an RN fleet, hoping to include one of each BB, BC, a single CV and fill the rest of the 10 points with supporting CAs, CLs and DDs.

If that makes any sense at all...
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Postby Wulf Corbett » Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:44 pm

Lord David the Denied wrote:Assuming an RN fleet, hoping to include one of each BB, BC, a single CV and fill the rest of the 10 points with supporting CAs, CLs and DDs.
They're still not all the same PL, but if no-one else suggests a mix, I will later tonight (I'm at work right now, and my memory isn't THAT good!)

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Postby Lord David the Denied » Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:47 pm

Ok, cheers Wulf. I'd be more specific but I don't which classes of ship are available and which aren't.
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Postby Wulf Corbett » Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:52 pm

Lord David the Denied wrote:Assuming an RN fleet, hoping to include one of each BB, BC, a single CV and fill the rest of the 10 points with supporting CAs, CLs and DDs.
By the way, do you mean "One of every class of BB & BC available, plus..." or do you mean "One BB, one BC, one CV, plus..."?

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Postby Lord David the Denied » Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:02 pm

One of every BB and BC class available is what I meant, plus one CV rather than one of every CV class available.
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Postby mbtanker » Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:12 pm

Are you asking how many ships you will need for VaS? If so then from 1-50. I've got a number of other naval mini rules/games and scenarios in those range from just one ship on a side to dozens. Pacific battles were certainly larger than Atlantic battles. The good news is as you are growing your fleet you can play smaller scenarios and move up to the larger ones over time.
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Postby Wulf Corbett » Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:39 pm

Lord David the Denied wrote:One of every BB and BC class available is what I meant, plus one CV rather than one of every CV class available.
OK, basically, if you want one of EVERY BB & BC, you can't get a decent mix - too many of them.

Best mix would be:

2x BB
2x BC
1x CV
2x CA
2x CL
4x DD, Sub &/or aircraft squadron

That's missing 1 BB (and a whole fleet worth of Cruisers).

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Postby Lord David the Denied » Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:11 pm

Would I be right in saying there are three battleship classes and two battlecruiser classes for the Royal Navy?

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