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Fighters?

Postby shakespear » Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:41 pm

What role will they be playing? WW2 fighters were much more important to combat than in ACTA.

Carriers ruled the sea. Unlike in ACTA.
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Re: Fighters?

Postby Wulf Corbett » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:12 pm

shakespear wrote:What role will they be playing? WW2 fighters were much more important to combat than in ACTA.
Fighters and bombers (which have different rules) are pretty well represented in the rules. Of course, only Bombers, Dive Bombers, and Torpedo Bombers actually affect the ships. The Fighters just affect the Bombers...

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Re: Fighters?

Postby shakespear » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:14 pm

Wulf Corbett wrote:
shakespear wrote:What role will they be playing? WW2 fighters were much more important to combat than in ACTA.
Fighters and bombers (which have different rules) are pretty well represented in the rules. Of course, only Bombers, Dive Bombers, and Torpedo Bombers actually affect the ships. The Fighters just affect the Bombers...

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Re: Fighters?

Postby Wulf Corbett » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:21 pm

shakespear wrote:kamikazes?
No, thanks, I've just had one...

Not yet. To be added later.

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Re: Fighters?

Postby Reaverman » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:31 pm

Wulf Corbett wrote:
shakespear wrote:kamikazes?
No, thanks, I've just had one...

Not yet. To be added later.

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and I assume that only later Japanese fleets can have them?
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Re: Fighters?

Postby Wulf Corbett » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:37 pm

Reaverman wrote:and I assume that only later Japanese fleets can have them?
Well, only the Japanese fleet made extensive organised use of them, and only the Japanese outfitted and even MANUFACTURED aircraft for the purpose, but every nationality could, theoretically, make use of the idea.
But the rules, as far as I know (I got into ACtA 2ed playtesting after the main VaS rules were pretty much finished, and may have missed something) the rules aren't written yet!

Anyone from the playtest team PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong!

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Postby oggie x » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:58 pm

"kamikazes?"

"No, thanks, I've just had one... "

:lol: bravo

I suppose by saying "but every nationality could, theoretically, make use of the idea." You mean moments like in Independence day "In the words of my generation UP YOURS!!!" moments?

Kamikaze rules could be put in Signs and Portents surely if they cannot get in the main book? Or possibly a supplement e.g focusing on the Letye Gulf Operation?

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Re: Fighters?

Postby E Nicely » Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:08 pm

Wulf Corbett wrote:
Reaverman wrote:and I assume that only later Japanese fleets can have them?
Well, only the Japanese fleet made extensive organised use of them, and only the Japanese outfitted and even MANUFACTURED aircraft for the purpose, but every nationality could, theoretically, make use of the idea.
But the rules, as far as I know (I got into ACtA 2ed playtesting after the main VaS rules were pretty much finished, and may have missed something) the rules aren't written yet!

Anyone from the playtest team PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong!

Wulf
Ok I think you're right.

And to the OP: observation aircraft come into play in most games, in addition to what Wulf said.
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Postby DM » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:05 pm

Yes, I think u r correct. A coupe of asides :

1) There was a proposal for an RAF aircraft designed to ram other aircraft although the pilotwas intended to survive this (not quite sure how). There was an article about the design in an old Airfix Magazine annual many years ago.

2) My dad was on an RN carrier hit by a kamikaze at the end of the war (before he transferred to minesweepers). He didn't know much about it, being deep in the ship at the time, but air operations were only suspended for a few minutes whilst the remains of the aircraft were brushed over the side!
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Postby Wulf Corbett » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:35 pm

DM wrote:1) There was a proposal for an RAF aircraft designed to ram other aircraft although the pilotwas intended to survive this (not quite sure how). There was an article about the design in an old Airfix Magazine annual many years ago.
Yes, I think it was based on a Spitfire, with the cockpit way back at the tail, and a huge prop spinner & sharpened wing leading edges.
2) My dad was on an RN carrier hit by a kamikaze at the end of the war (before he transferred to minesweepers). He didn't know much about it, being deep in the ship at the time, but air operations were only suspended for a few minutes whilst the remains of the aircraft were brushed over the side!
Mine was in the Merchant Navy, on the Wave King tanker. Fortunately never actually fired on, but there was a shark once...

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Postby Lord David the Denied » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:55 pm

Sine we're sharing... my great-uncle on my mother's side died on a destroyer in the Arctic Ocean hunting U-Boats, and my cousin (a distant one) died on the Hood.
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Postby Wulf Corbett » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:01 pm

Actually, this seems a very well-informed group... My father never told me anything about his travels in the war, barring the funny bits (well, if not being allowed to swim in the Pacific without a 'sniper' on deck for sharks can be called funny), but I did read one bit from his papers after his death. Unfortunately, I've since lost the papers, but see if anyone can make any sense out of ths:

The Wave King tanker was somewhere in the Phillipines, being towed away by a sea tug while she had one prop shaft removed for repairs, a hurricane moving in from one direction, and a last-gasp maneouvre by the Japanese approaching from another...

Does that make any sense? Probably VERY late war, 1945. I keep hoping it's accurate, but I'm a realist :wink: WAS there a hurricane and a Japanese fleet heading for the Phillipines at the same time?

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Postby DM » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:05 pm

Yes it does - here's some more info on the Waves:

http://www.btinternet.com/~warship/Postwar/RFA/wave.htm
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Postby Wulf Corbett » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:07 pm

DM wrote:Yes it does - here's some more info on the Waves:

http://www.btinternet.com/~warship/Postwar/RFA/wave.htm
Holy ****... I never ever found anything about his ship before...

,,,excuse me for a bit... :(

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Postby DM » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:16 pm

I'll have a dig about at work next week to see if I have anything else.
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Postby knuckles » Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:19 pm

I'm looking forward to the air rules. Living in the middle of where a lot of the Pacific action took place means I will be playing mostly US and Japanese ships.

We have a WWII wreck in our harbour, actually many around here but this one is visable. The MV McDhui a supply ship was sunk by Japanese bombers in June 1942, here's the story

http://www.austehc.unimelb.edu.au/fam/0438.html

There were several Allied airfields around Port Moresby which had everything from Mitchel bombers, to P38 recon and kittyhawk fighters. All of which were used to fly missions on Japanese land and sea positions. So although primarily a battle at sea it would be good to see some allowence for air units arriving from land based airfields not just aircraft carriers
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Postby Hightower » Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:56 pm

DM wrote:Yes, I think u r correct. A coupe of asides :

1) There was a proposal for an RAF aircraft designed to ram other aircraft although the pilotwas intended to survive this (not quite sure how). There was an article about the design in an old Airfix Magazine annual many years ago.

2) My dad was on an RN carrier hit by a kamikaze at the end of the war (before he transferred to minesweepers). He didn't know much about it, being deep in the ship at the time, but air operations were only suspended for a few minutes whilst the remains of the aircraft were brushed over the side!
1) there were also some pretty crazy kamikaze-esque Nazi planes as well. the manned V1, the Natter (rocket plane meant to ram bombers), Mistrel (sp) flying bombs. Granted they werent ever meant to really kill the pilot as well and were never used in naval engagements but still were born of despiration.

2) gotta love those armored flight decks on the RN carriers. not like the US versions which traded deck armor for more aircraft. they tended to suffer a bit more vs the kamikaze when they got through.
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Postby Reaverman » Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:59 pm

Lord David the Denied wrote:Sine we're sharing... my great-uncle on my mother's side died on a destroyer in the Arctic Ocean hunting U-Boats, and my cousin (a distant one) died on the Hood.
Your cousin?!!!?


How old are you, 92? :shock:
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Postby Wulf Corbett » Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:01 pm

Hightower wrote:1) there were also some pretty crazy kamikaze-esque Nazi planes as well. the manned V1, the Natter (rocket plane meant to ram bombers), Mistrel (sp) flying bombs. Granted they werent ever meant to really kill the pilot as well and were never used in naval engagements but still were born of despiration.
The Natter wasn't designed to ram, it carried a salvo of unguided rockets in the nose. After firing it broke into two bits (intentionally!), the pilot fell out of the middle, and all three parachuted to safety...

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Postby Burger » Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:01 pm

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