Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

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Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby msprange » Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:48 pm

Just posted on our Facebook page;


Just finished the last rules for Victory at Sea: Ironclad, the game of naval warfare in the American Civil War - now just waiting for last playtesting and background/historical text from History Supremo Martin Dougherty. Then it is off to art, layout and publishing!

These rules are based on the Victory on the River set penned by David Manley, but they have been fully updated for the Victory at Sea 2.0 rules set (which, ironically, will appear _after_ Ironclad).

The rules cover just about everything that floated during the war, as well as shore batteries, forts and ground forces so you can play out your invasions! We have also shoved in a lot of historical battles including, of course, Hampton Roads.

Expect to see the rules appear on Wargame Vault next month, though there won't be a printed edition for perhaps another two years - we have to get Victory at Sea 2.0 properly under way first, but Ironclad will (eventually) have a full miniatures line (1/600 scale, most like), making it as complete as our WWII game.
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby hdan » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:27 pm

So excited!
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby Teach59 » Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:01 pm

This is really good news Matt :-)

I had a brief play with the Victory on the River before our house move, and now that we are getting settled I am looking forward to getting this nice updated version of Mr Manley's rules.

As an addendum, I'm finally getting the time to finish my own "mod" of VAS AOD for the 1904-05 Russo-Japanese war. Looking at the files, I haven't done anything since Jan 2014, so they are very delayed :-(
I will email you a copy to pass around to play testers, as I have not had an opportunity to test them myself since Jan 2014 (I'm still trying to get my games table resurrected)!

Good luck and keep up the good work.

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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby carthaginian » Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:09 am

Just in time for my birthday!
It'll be fun to see just how easy the C.S.S. Virginia can plough through them damnyankees. :mrgreen:

What's the price-point gonna look like, and how many ships (give or take) are included?
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby msprange » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:25 pm

We have not set a price point yet. As for ships, damn near all of them :)
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby carthaginian » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:05 am

msprange wrote:We have not set a price point yet. As for ships, damn near all of them :)
One final question:
Will it be as easy to add ships as in prior versions?
There are so many different wars that loomed and threatened during this time period, but never happened. From the magnificent broadside ironclads with rows of cannon to the en-echelon ships with enormous muzzle-loading rifles firing shells as large as a WWII battleship's, so many interesting ships which can be governed by the same rules that we will find in the pages of this book.

Imagine the H.M.S. Inflexible under Capt. John Arbuthnot Fisher facing off against the R.M. Caio Duilio in the Mediterranean...
H.M.S. Warrior and Gloire facing off under the cliffs of Dover in the last gasp of Wood against Iron...

All the necessary rules for these would be in a book governing the War Between the States...
as long as the rules look like the 1st Edition (easily deduced formula, Special Traits, etc).
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby msprange » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:16 am

We certainly have enough material from Mr Manley to do several supplements covering other wars :)
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby Poi » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:13 pm

Careful Matt, I might be tempted into getting this.

But not to refight Hampton Roads :mrgreen: Watched two guys do that once. No idea which rules or models, but 6-8" models, circling an island, not getting any shots off all night. Killed nothing but time.

Just waiting for it to hit WV.
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby Poi » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:51 pm

Any news on when this will hit Wargames Vault?
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby msprange » Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:07 am

We are running through the last of the playtest sessions right now. End of July-ish looks likely.
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby BraveSirRobin » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:53 pm

Any more word about a firm release date for Ironclads?
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby msprange » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:11 am

Hoping to get layout all sorted this coming month!
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby Poi » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:26 pm

How is this coming along? I'm looking at minis, itching to see some rules.
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby msprange » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:29 pm

Still in the queue for layout - a lot going on at the moment!
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby Brass » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:59 am

Given that Mongoose's miniature game for 2012 is still under development, is there any possibility that VaS: Ironclads might be released finally? At least it would distract people like me from the fact that WaS2.0 isn't going to be home before the leaves fall. Even if they fall in 2025. Please note the date on the quotation that follows. The Ironclads rule were, according to you, finished and ready for release before WaS2.0 but, of course, four years late. And please don't toss in that red herring about waiting for the miniatures to show up; I suspect that really won't play well for this audience, just like the mythical WW2 ships.
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Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:48 pm
Just posted on our Facebook page;


Just finished the last rules for Victory at Sea: Ironclad, the game of naval warfare in the American Civil War - now just waiting for last playtesting and background/historical text from History Supremo Martin Dougherty. Then it is off to art, layout and publishing!

These rules are based on the Victory on the River set penned by David Manley, but they have been fully updated for the Victory at Sea 2.0 rules set (which, ironically, will appear _after_ Ironclad).

The rules cover just about everything that floated during the war, as well as shore batteries, forts and ground forces so you can play out your invasions! We have also shoved in a lot of historical battles including, of course, Hampton Roads.

Expect to see the rules appear on Wargame Vault next month, though there won't be a printed edition for perhaps another two years - we have to get Victory at Sea 2.0 properly under way first, but Ironclad will (eventually) have a full miniatures line (1/600 scale, most like), making it as complete as our WWII game.
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby msprange » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:46 am

Brass wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:59 am
Given that Mongoose's miniature game for 2012 is still under development, is there any possibility that VaS: Ironclads might be released finally? At least it would distract people like me from the fact that WaS2.0 isn't going to be home before the leaves fall. Even if they fall in 2025. Please note the date on the quotation that follows. The Ironclads rule were, according to you, finished and ready for release before WaS2.0 but, of course, four years late. And please don't toss in that red herring about waiting for the miniatures to show up; I suspect that really won't play well for this audience, just like the mythical WW2 ships.
Ironclads will follow Victory at Sea WWII - not much sense diverting any resources from one to fuel the other...
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby Brass » Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:10 am

So your announcement that the Ironclad rules were finished in 2015, which included the statement "they have been fully updated for the Victory at Sea 2.0 rules set (which, ironically, will appear _after_ Ironclad)" was what? Just another instance of Mongoose's lack of respect for its customers? I'm beginning to think that in 2025 we'll be told that the Nigerian oil minister is handling the layout and WaS2.0 will be available by 2031(ish) at the latest.

FWIW, you ought to go back and read some of your promises from the past. You might be surprised at how little they agree with what you're saying now.
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby msprange » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:59 am

???

Plans change, Brass - we made the decision that WWII should come out first after all...
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby Brass » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:24 am

Okay, let me get this straight - the rules you said were finished four years ago would take resources away from the rules you claimed were going to be finished seven years ago. If, as you announced, the Ironclad rules were finished, exactly what resources are they going to require that will cause WaS2.0 to be more behind schedule than it already is. Since the Ironclad rules were to be released thru Wargame Vault, most of the physical aspects (printing, binding, shipping, etc) of publishing don't pertain, so what's the problem?
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Re: Victory at Sea: Ironclad Announcement

Postby Brass » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:25 am

Okay, let me get this straight - the rules you said were finished four years ago would take resources away from the rules you claimed were going to be finished seven years ago. If, as you announced, the Ironclad rules were finished, exactly what resources are they going to require that will cause WaS2.0 to be more behind schedule than it already is. Since the Ironclad rules were to be released thru Wargame Vault, most of the physical aspects (printing, binding, shipping, etc) of publishing don't pertain, so what's the problem?
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