Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

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Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby carthaginian » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:38 am

So, I got bored and decided that I wanted to recreate the Battle of Santiago de Cuba. Being as none of the ships necessary were in Age of Dreadnoughts, I've spent the last few days putting the various ships necessary into the Age of Dreadnoughts system.

So far, I've got everything converted for the Spanish Armada that meets the following qualifications:
1.) has at least one gun larger than a 57mm/6-pounder.
2.) is not armed with a Muzzle Loading Rifle or Smoothbore as a main gun.
I have also converted the 3 battleship classes (Texas, Indiana, Iowa) and all cruiser classes* available to the USN at the time. I'm starting work on the gunboats tonight, hopefully I should be able to finish.

If there is enough interest, I might get around to posting them Monday or Wednesday.
If it seems like a good idea, we could go whole-hog and do OoBs for the entire world during the Spanish-American/Russo-Japanese war period.

So, anyone interested in some Turn of the Century action?

*classes is a joke - apparently the US Navy had an allergy to producing more than one ship to a given design during this period... especially cruisers.
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Re: Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby Brass » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:37 pm

I have the ships for Santiago de Cuba (including Pelayo) in 1/2400 scale but never thought of using them with VaS. I'd be interested in seeing what you've done.
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Re: Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby carthaginian » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:44 pm

I'll get the US torpedo craft into the mix on Sunday and post them Monday, barring interruptions, then. If not Monday, then I'll have the Wednesday.

The only big issues that I'm running into is 1.) so many small anti-TB guns and 2.) torpedoes are almost, but not quite, entirely useless.
Since torpedo boats were so small at this time, even 37mm and 47mm guns were considered an appropriate and effective defensive weapon. Including them in a vessel's stats in problematic, though, because they are utterly useless beyond about 1900. I've included the 57mm in the equation for tertiaries, as they had some combat value going into WWI; but I've only considered 47mm weapons on coastal forces and ignored anything 37mm and below entirely.
Most torpedoes don't have more than 2" worth of range (with some generous rounding included) and have pretty negligible warheads. If not for the fact that virtually every ship has the 'poor subdivision' trait, they wouldn't even be worth putting in!
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Re: Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby carthaginian » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:42 am

I have the Spanish Armada ready to post.
I'm working on the US Navy.

Spanish Armada, first draft
http://www88.zippyshare.com/v/PkRNr4yX/file.html

I still have to write individual descriptions for the classes.

All ship stats are as near as I can approximate on the data I had available; I am willing to tune and tweak if more reliable data comes along. All photographs are public domain inside the United States to the best of my knowledge and are used in good faith as such, and will be removed if they are found not to be.
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Re: Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby carthaginian » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:20 am

First Errata (LOL)

p.6
Reina Regente class Protected Cruiser
Port and Starboard Secondaries range should be 16"
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Re: Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby Brass » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:33 pm

Not an errata per se, just a note: the Cristobal Colon's 10" gun was never mounted.
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Re: Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby carthaginian » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:46 am

Brass wrote:Not an errata per se, just a note: the Cristobal Colon's 10" gun was never mounted.

Well, I've been digging a bit more and have found out that the Cristobal Colon and her canceled sister Pedro de Aragon were supposed to have had 2x1x9.45"/L42 guns* (after the faulty 10"/L40 EOCs were removed). So I'll correct that tonight when I get back to work, along with the other things pointed out.

Also, I'll include the remaining variant armor schemes for the Giuseppe Garibaldi class for those that want to do althistory scenarios: 2x1x10"/L40 EOC - General Belgrano subclass (Argentina [3]), 1x1x10"/L40 EOC, 1x2x8"/L45 EOC - Giuseppe Garibaldi subclass (Italy [3], Japan [1]), and 2x2x8"/L45 EOC - San Martín subclass (Argentina [1], Japan [1]).



*via NavWeaps site, originally per Ships of the Spanish Navy by Juan Luis Coello-Lillo and Agustin Rodriguez-Gonzalez
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Re: Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby carthaginian » Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:35 am

Here is the revised version of the Spanish Navy stats:
http://www13.zippyshare.com/v/u5nAqFTT/file.html
And here is the first draft of the US Navy stats:
http://www13.zippyshare.com/v/KPy2567p/file.html

If anyone notices any more errors or possible improvements, please post them!

PS: Tell me what you think about the ships!
There are a lot more out there, and it isn't particularly hard to put anything into the AoD system.
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Re: Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby carthaginian » Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:06 am

Doesn't seem that anyone is downloading.
If you've picked them up and looked, sound off please! :oops:
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Re: Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby Brass » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:41 pm

carthaginian wrote:Doesn't seem that anyone is downloading.
If you've picked them up and looked, sound off please! :oops:
I've downloaded them and am generally impressed. However, the Cristobal Colon did not mount any 9.45" guns; it had two 8" guns in the X position and no guns in the A position at all.
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Re: Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby carthaginian » Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:36 pm

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNSpain ... _m1896.htm

This was the gun that was to replace the 10" gun forward.
I've found conflicting reports as to whether she had mixed or unform main guns (the GG class had several variants) but most seem to agree that all she had at Santiago de Cuba was her secondaries mounted - no guns of over 6" were aboard, so I am prone to think she was a 'uniform' 10" gun atm.
I'm looking for an old Janes or Conways to verify that.
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Re: Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby carthaginian » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:09 am

Brass wrote:
carthaginian wrote:I've downloaded them and am generally impressed. However, the Cristobal Colon did not mount any 9.45" guns; it had two 8" guns in the X position and no guns in the A position at all.
Per page 382 of Conway's "All the World's Fighting Ships":
"She was delivered to the Spaniards at Genoa 16.5.1897 but without her single 10" guns, and was lost in this condition at the Battle of Santiago"
So we have a solid secondary source that drew from reliable primary sources that shows she was, in fact, a uniform main battery version of the G.G. class... meaning no 8" guns aft.
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Re: Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby Brass » Tue Jul 07, 2015 3:17 pm

carthaginian wrote:
Brass wrote:
carthaginian wrote:I've downloaded them and am generally impressed. However, the Cristobal Colon did not mount any 9.45" guns; it had two 8" guns in the X position and no guns in the A position at all.
Per page 382 of Conway's "All the World's Fighting Ships":
"She was delivered to the Spaniards at Genoa 16.5.1897 but without her single 10" guns, and was lost in this condition at the Battle of Santiago"
So we have a solid secondary source that drew from reliable primary sources that shows she was, in fact, a uniform main battery version of the G.G. class... meaning no 8" guns aft.
Somehow I missed this message. You are totally correct. The Garibaldis are a confusing class and I was looking at the wrong one.
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Re: Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby carthaginian » Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:02 am

Brass wrote:Somehow I missed this message. You are totally correct. The Garibaldis are a confusing class and I was looking at the wrong one.
And it looks like I've been delinquent as well!
You're right... the Garibaldis were probably the most varied 'class' of ships to ever sail the seas. Confusion abounds anytime they start cropping up in discussion.

I wonder how much longer 2.0 is gonna take - I don't want to do Russo-Japanese and 1st Sino-Japanese war ships and have to turn right back around and do them in a matter of a few months.
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Re: Anyone Still Playing... and Want More Ships?

Postby rcbecker123 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:31 pm

Sorry I'm a WWII guy but glad your doing a fine job for the WWI people and keep up the good work.

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