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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby Hopeless » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:08 pm

I was wondering how it would be handled under Legend rules especially if you just made it loosely based on the Lord of the rings so you could have your core group be entirely of halflings or a mixed group dealing with a similar situation.
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby DamonJynx » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:13 pm

I don't think it would be difficult. It's all about creating the stats for the various races/characters/monsters and so on. The Legend rules per se wouldn't have a problem with the setting. In fact any ruleset can be used with any setting as the mechanics themselves are purely for action resolution, though some rules are better suited to some settings than others simply for the 'feel'.

There are already stats for Elves and Dwarves, so for PC's really you just need to stat up the halflings (drop 1D6 from human characteristics perhaps? or pinch the halfling stats from RQ6 :wink: ).

You may need to tweak the magic here and there because in LoTR, whilst it's powerful, it's also very subtle and not really used a lot.
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby Olaus Petrus » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:38 am

DamonJynx wrote:There are already stats for Elves and Dwarves, so for PC's really you just need to stat up the halflings (drop 1D6 from human characteristics perhaps? or pinch the halfling stats from RQ6 :wink: ).
Monsters of Legend has also stats for Halflings and not just for Elves and Dwarves. Personally I would use those rather than RQ6 stats. While MRQII core rules gave some stats to other races, Legend core rules give stats only for humans.
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby DamonJynx » Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:28 am

Olaus Petrus wrote:Monsters of Legend has also stats for Halflings and not just for Elves and Dwarves. Personally I would use those rather than RQ6 stats.
Just goes to show how often I look at the MoL book then, doesn't it? I rarely use the monsters from the book as most of my players adversaries are human or melnibonean. Other monsters I use are generally made up (or re-skinned standard) based on the Elric stories.

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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby Olaus Petrus » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:51 am

DamonJynx wrote:
Olaus Petrus wrote:Monsters of Legend has also stats for Halflings and not just for Elves and Dwarves. Personally I would use those rather than RQ6 stats.
Just goes to show how often I look at the MoL book then, doesn't it? I rarely use the monsters from the book as most of my players adversaries are human or melnibonean. Other monsters I use are generally made up (or re-skinned standard) based on the Elric stories.

Thanks for the correction, Olaus.
Personally I like it, because it gives stats for most common animals, like horses, dogs, smilodons (You can find those from Weeping Waste and Pan Tang), which Elric book doesn't have.

But back to actual topic, while MRQII book gives stats for Elves and Dwarves. I really recommend using Monsters of Legend for Tolkien setting. It gives also stats for Orcs, Trolls, Wolves, Giant Spiders and Dragons (although that's more the Hobbit than LoTR). For Nazghul you could probably modify stats of some undead monster. And I would create Balrog stats by using demon creation rules of Elric core rules or Arcania of Legend: Blood Magic.

EDIT: After some thinking I suggest that for Barrow-Wights you could use Wraiths from Legend Spirit Magic (which is free spirit magic expansion to basic Legend rules). You could use Wraith stats also for Nazghul but modify them so that they aren't bound to certain location and objects.
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby Hopeless » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:52 pm

Well tonight's the premiere night for the movie in the UK so hopefully they'll do a special documentary like they did for Skyfall...
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby Hopeless » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:13 pm

Out of curiosity if you had to stat up the characters from either the lord of the rings or the hobbit using Legend core rules, what cultures would you use for each race and what professions and how would you deal with Aragorn/Strider who effectively has something like a half elf's lifespan?

I am assuming Elrond Halfelven counts as a full elf for character generation purposes of course

Not so sure about Gandalf mind you! :wink:
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby soltakss » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:55 pm

Elrond would count as an elf as he chose that path.

Gandalf? Demigod Wizard? Angelic Wizard?
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby Hopeless » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:51 am

soltakss wrote:Elrond would count as an elf as he chose that path.

Gandalf? Demigod Wizard? Angelic Wizard?
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby Olaus Petrus » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:43 pm

I would use human stats, but give Gandalf great knowledge of magic, increased POW and INT and suitable special abilities. In his true form he is wisest of Maiar, but Istari took the form of elderly humans (when Saruman lost his powers he was just an old man) and used only limited power.
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby Hopeless » Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:07 pm

Well went to see the movie today and hope my three sisters take up my suggestion of taking me to watch it as a christmas treat! :mrgreen:

Hopefully will get to see this three times at least before end of January so I guess that answers the most important question!

Only problem i can see is whether Peter Jackson will release an extended edition version of the Hobbit movies! :shock:

Just as long as he doesn't fall into the trap called Blu Ray :evil:

Please god let them see the light and keep the extras on the dvd version, do not allow the evil who really shouldn't be named but I will anyway! :wink:

Anyway I won't spoil anything for you but it was great! :mrgreen:

Well that wasn't a spoiler! :?:
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby tneva82 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:28 pm

Hopeless wrote:Only problem i can see is whether Peter Jackson will release an extended edition version of the Hobbit movies! :shock:
There's some requests among viewers for shortened editions :D

Though I don't see problem with the movies length so much. Didn't feel that long. Okay lots of non-book fighting sequences so guess it COULD be shortened but remove those and you have basically film about walking and Bilbo talking with Gollum. Interesting movie...Complainers probably also forget to keep in mind that whole sequence of important events that was mentioned in passing in book(how many paragraphs it took anyway?-) will be covered in full. Specifically all the Dol Guldur part. That's gonna eat up some time(some spent already here). Personally that's the part I'm most eagerly waiting for since it's something that's a) important b) book barely covered. It's also nice to see Gandalf&the rest of white council going more heroic(interesting to see Saruman working for good guys at least in pretense).
Just as long as he doesn't fall into the trap called Blu Ray :evil:
Both better. Since I have blu ray I would prefer it. The quality boost in picture is noticably enough and these days price difference between versions is neglicable anyway.
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby Hopeless » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:14 pm

I've read of some complaints about the movie which I really couldn't understand.

The dwarves are bad fighters? (Spoilered below in case you don't want to know before watching the movie)

Its stated they're the only ones to volunteer to accompany Thorin and the actual fighters are the older members, the fights I watched they did pretty well considering what they were fighting, Thorin however got his backside handed to him but that was because most of his dwarves were hanging on for dear life whilst he was distracting the big bad for this movie and not whatever mullered his people and sent them on a 15 year hike to rebuild their lives which Thranduil the unlikeable gave Thorin his dislike of elves...

Pacing problems apparently because of focusing on the scenery too much.

Huh? looked fine to me admittedly I watched the 2D version so maybe I need to get my 3D specs out and give that a try?

Gandalf spellcasting

Well noone asked him to bring along any fireworks but at least their foes didn't use the fire against them like in the book... I still think he's more of a multi-classed fighter wizard who took the loremaster prestige class but given this is Legend we're talking about he obviously spent several years in fighter school before returning to spellcasting, apparently took some bard too given he gets along with most of the ordinary folk fine, its just everyone following Sauron and his immediate superior he has problems with... :roll: (Amended for irony)

Saruman...

Are you sure he wasn't in the bad guys camp? Seriously this guy is either monumentally stupid or maybe arrogant that he fails to understand that he's in the presence of two elves one of whom can read minds and the other is hardly going to tolerate being treated as a fool in his own domicile...

Well that does explain how Thorin and co got out of Rivendell without Elrond's elves interferring anyway! :D

Why do I get the feeling there should have been several others at that meeting since I can't see Saruman alone trumping Gandalf with the other two present... :?:

Anyway I was wondering, should I set up another thread on a campaign setting with inspiration from the Hobbit and LOTR or continue here?
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby Faelan Niall » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:01 pm

Saruman, Radagast, and Gandalf are essentially embodied spirits sent to middle earth by the Higher Spirits (think Arch Angels), to look over things and give a hand. So yeah I think he knows full well who he is talking to and is not impressed. Saruman is arrogant, and it is one of many reasons he eventually falls. By the time of the Hobbit he is already searching for the Ring for his own purposes.
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby tneva82 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:10 pm

Hopeless wrote: Saruman...

Are you sure he wasn't in the bad guys camp? Seriously this guy is either monumentally stupid or maybe arrogant that he fails to understand that he's in the presence of two elves one of whom can read minds and the other is hardly going to tolerate being treated as a fool in his own domicile...
Seeing Saruman is "bit" higher being than some pantsy elves I don't think it's that unexpected for him to be arrogant and consider himself to be their superior(in many ways he is!). I also doubt Galadriel can read Gandalf&co mind if they don't want to(in order to communicate).

And as for him being bad guys...Not sure timeline wise but probably he's at least shade of grey by then at least working for his own good first and foremost. Pretty sure he went along with the whole dol guldur assault 'cause he was so badly outnumbered in that point and had to go along or be very fishy looking.

Not sworn to Sauron yet though unless I'm totally off with my hasty memories. But hardly biggest anti-sauron guy around either.
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby soltakss » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:15 pm

tneva82 wrote:Not sworn to Sauron yet though unless I'm totally off with my hasty memories. But hardly biggest anti-sauron guy around either.
When did he get hold of the Palantir? I think that when he went a-looking and looked straight into Sauron's Eye was when he became seduced. Personally, I think that Saruman thought that he could use and master Sauron himself, rather than the other way around.

Looking at the film, it was interesting that the Necromancer arose just before the One Ring was rediscovered (I haven't read the book for a while and can't remember how much is from the book and how much is from other sources). It makes me think that the Ring became lost in order to find someone better to have it and that might have sparked a few things off. Hobbits seem to have a natural resistance to the Rung, as Gollum was originally close to hobbithood, and neither Bilbo nor Gollum triggered Sauron's Eye when they used the Ring.

But, I enjoyed the film. It was long but didn't really drag for me, and I thought it would. Even the arrival of the dwarves was well-paced and seemed to reflect the book. Shame they didn't show much of Smaug, but that should be rectified in the other films. The Gollum scenes were very good indeed, of course. The only thing that didn't ring true for me was how fresh-faced and young Bilbo looked. After all, he was 51 when the adventure started (it was 60 hears before his Eleventy First Birthday) and the whole point of the book was that even comfortable middle-aged men can have adventures.
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby ShawnDriscoll » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:16 am

Hopeless wrote:The players start off as Frodo, Merry, Pippin and Samwise
I see too many problems with players using movie characters. It's hard enough making them NPCs.
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Re: The Hobbit weekend december the 16th

Postby Hopeless » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:10 pm

ShawnDriscoll wrote:
Hopeless wrote:The players start off as Frodo, Merry, Pippin and Samwise
I see too many problems with players using movie characters. It's hard enough making them NPCs.
My original plan was just to say thats where they start their characters however are their own, this isn't about replicating the characters from the movie but letting the players run their own characters through the situation which would also be modified to make it original and an adventure they would want to play.

I was figuring they could even change the character's gender since one of my player's is the wife of another player.

The ring is passed down, but their relation has disappeared and the players only know a friend of the family asked them to safeguard the ring but to avoid wearing it since he thinks it might be important but needs to get someone with the expertise to confirm his findings.

What he doesn't reveal is that the ring if passed to any human, elf or dwarf would immediately possess them which is why he refused to touch it as his wizard senses warned him it was enchanted and malevolent.

He asks them to head to the Inn in the neighbouring town where he'll meet them but has arranged for someone to look out for them (the Strider character who as a half elf is similarly protected because being both human and elf the ring cannot possess him directly but he is also unable to carry the ring as he is repulsed by it).

If they're dumb enough to use the ring the riders come looking for them, as long as they don't the trip isn't as dangerous as long as they remain out of sight of the riders BUT someone has obviously been spying on them unaware that the Saruman villain is scrying the halflings by virtue of using the captive gandalf as the focus but he can't tell who has the ring and even if the ring is used it doesn't allow him to confirm who is using the ring only that there are four of them.

Strider takes them to Weathertop and let the players decide what they're doing, regardless of whether they don't start a fire Saruman's scrying leads the riders to Weathertop, but nothing says they have to fight them since the riders require the ring to be in use to pinpoint who has it and if they don't they will split up to chase the halflings so how they handle this will explain who Arwen has to escort to Rivendell so if the wrong halfling is hit she takes him to Rivendell so the others can evade the riders and reach safety.

At Rivendell we learn Elrond is a half elf so resistant to the ring's influence, most of his people were enslaved thanks to the three rings the elves had which is why they're dying out because their lost people were turned into the orcs and the survivors have the choice of staying and fighting or leaving for the far west where their ancestors came from.

Most are leaving but Elrond is the commander of the forces remaining behind to help thwart Sauron and know the only way to destroy Sauron is throw his phylactery the ring into the volcano where it was forged.

Isildur was possessed by Sauron but was slain by mistake with the ring ending up in Gollum's hands who although evil was a halfling and immune to the possession albeit eventually corrupted but the process was halted when Frodo's uncle gained the ring.

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