Traveller and 40k rpg both in February?

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Postby weasel_fierce » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:46 pm

Coincidentally the two first main books will cover Inquisitors and ROgue traders. The marines are left for the last one, and will propably be the "all guns blazing" book.
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Postby pasuuli » Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:53 pm

Sounds like Traveller and 40K are complementary offerings. 40K for high-powered stuff, Traveller for lower-key stuff... although there may be a hint of overlap, where Traveller's Imperial Marines come in. But probably nowhere near as uber-powerful. Maybe in-between 40K and Starship Troopers.
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Postby weasel_fierce » Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:44 am

the imperial marines are propably pretty close to the book starship troopers. A bit less individual firepower, but they have the big guns available if needed
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Postby Dredd Times » Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:24 am

I got my Dark Heresy Collectors Edition on Wednesday last week and still wading through it to review it for Gaming Report will post a link as soon as I can, but needless to say it is really, really good and well worth the 20 year wait. It is just a pity that Mongoose didn't get the rights to do it though :(

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Postby Allandaros » Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:58 am

Waiiiit...

People are complaining about the lack of role-playing opportunities present for Space Marines...on the forums of the company that produces Starship Troopers?

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Postby Traveller-61 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:56 pm

And of course there will not be much of a clash now as Black Industries has announced it is shutting its doors - only the pre-announced books will be published and then nothing more (no Rogue Trader, no Deathwatch, and no more WHFRPG either) :cry:

Of course it would be very nice if Mongoose could pick up the pieces and take over! Not that will happen but it is nice to dream :lol:

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Postby danbuter » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:11 am

Yeah, once again, GW finds a way to screw its customers.
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Postby Neo » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:55 pm

Traveller-61 wrote:and no more WHFRPG either) :cry:

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Postby Shadow Queen » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:15 pm

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Postby TrippyHippy » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:23 pm

Neo wrote:
Traveller-61 wrote:and no more WHFRPG either) :cry:

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I thought it was green Ronin that released all the WHFRPG books? at least it is according to thier website and online catalogue. i also remember having the opportunity to playtest the main rules for them some time back too, but i ended up playtesting M&M 2nd ed instead.
Green Ronin were commissioned and involved in the design of the 2nd edition WFRP. But it was a Black Industries (GW) publication.
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Postby Da Boss » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:40 am

I have the book now (its lovely) but very sad that it will not continue.........
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Postby cj.23 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:01 pm

TrippyHippy wrote:

Green Ronin were commissioned and involved in the design of the 2nd edition WFRP. But it was a Black Industries (GW) publication.
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Did Hogshead not produce a WFRPG edition? It's a terrible shame about Black Industries, lots of good people will doubtless lose their jobs. I'm also rather puzzled, as I thought they were sitting on some interesting licenses - but hey I must have got the wrong idea. :(

Still I much prefer Traveller over the system: and while the book does look lovely, it was out of my price range. I guess i'm just too old to get 40K - I was buying Asgard and Ral Partha and Minifigs by the time Space MArines came out. I think I ended my association with GW miniatures about the time they moved from plastic bags to blister packs! yes I'm old! :(

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Postby Da Boss » Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:11 am

well mine was £24.00 inlcuding P+P from Amazon........which was I think a bargin - but perhaps it was too much of one! :shock:
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Postby tneva82 » Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:57 pm

cj.23 wrote:I'm also rather puzzled, as I thought they were sitting on some interesting licenses - but hey I must have got the wrong idea. :(
Maybe they figured that some people might want to use RPG as their 40k universum games=less sales of the 40k models...

Sales of big 3 is The Only Thing GW is concerned about. Unless new thing can sell just as much just as reliably odds are it won't stay on status "go" long :cry:
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Postby AKAramis » Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:49 pm

cj.23 wrote:
TrippyHippy wrote:

Green Ronin were commissioned and involved in the design of the 2nd edition WFRP. But it was a Black Industries (GW) publication.
#

Did Hogshead not produce a WFRPG edition? It's a terrible shame about Black Industries, lots of good people will doubtless lose their jobs. I'm also rather puzzled, as I thought they were sitting on some interesting licenses - but hey I must have got the wrong idea. :(

Still I much prefer Traveller over the system: and while the book does look lovely, it was out of my price range. I guess i'm just too old to get 40K - I was buying Asgard and Ral Partha and Minifigs by the time Space MArines came out. I think I ended my association with GW miniatures about the time they moved from plastic bags to blister packs! yes I'm old! :(

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Hogshead was under some interesting limitations...

I've been told that they could not revise the core rules, unless they brought them up to match WFRP6 setting materials, and later on, Realms of Socery was delayed for revision to match WFRP6 which meant it didn't match the core rules. They were not even allowed to change the layout!

They did add to the core, but getting stuff done was difficult, and James Wallis apparently got fed up with fighting to get stuff approved. He returned the license before it expired!

So, quite simply put, James Wallis' statements at the end made it clear that GW was trying to make it unprofitable for HHP to continue.
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Postby AKAramis » Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:27 am

I picked up Dark Heresy tonight. I hope they decide to publish the rules for Rogue Traders and Marines as supplements... they might be able to get them out the door.

I was leery of the $50 price tag... but wasn't expecting 400 pages! The blighter is an inch thick! It was an impulse buy.

I do think that some of the issues I raised in the playtest for WFRP2 did get taken into account; critical damage points not resetting each round (as they did in WFRP1 and the playtest for 2 at the time I walked) means the much reduced (vs WFRP1) chance of open ending is not so big a deal.

I like the career approach on first skim. I would like to see more branching earlier, but hey...

I'm more likely to run a variant of MoTrav than to run DH, but I want to run DH... but that's because much of my group doesn't get "dark settings" (so why they like WFRP1 is beyond me, but I'm glad they do).
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Postby Vorlon Servant » Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:22 am

Good news! Fantasy Flight Games has just picked up the licence for Games Workshops stuff. They will be supporting the Warhammer and Dark Heresy games as well as Talisman and the Sabertooth card games.

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Postby TrippyHippy » Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:28 pm

AKAramis wrote:
cj.23 wrote:
TrippyHippy wrote:

Green Ronin were commissioned and involved in the design of the 2nd edition WFRP. But it was a Black Industries (GW) publication.
#

Did Hogshead not produce a WFRPG edition? It's a terrible shame about Black Industries, lots of good people will doubtless lose their jobs. I'm also rather puzzled, as I thought they were sitting on some interesting licenses - but hey I must have got the wrong idea. :(

Still I much prefer Traveller over the system: and while the book does look lovely, it was out of my price range. I guess i'm just too old to get 40K - I was buying Asgard and Ral Partha and Minifigs by the time Space MArines came out. I think I ended my association with GW miniatures about the time they moved from plastic bags to blister packs! yes I'm old! :(

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Hogshead was under some interesting limitations...

I've been told that they could not revise the core rules, unless they brought them up to match WFRP6 setting materials, and later on, Realms of Socery was delayed for revision to match WFRP6 which meant it didn't match the core rules. They were not even allowed to change the layout!

They did add to the core, but getting stuff done was difficult, and James Wallis apparently got fed up with fighting to get stuff approved. He returned the license before it expired!

So, quite simply put, James Wallis' statements at the end made it clear that GW was trying to make it unprofitable for HHP to continue.
James Wallis withdrew from the rpg community, ending Hogshead Publishing in the process, after vocally expressing his exasperation at the attitude of complaining 'fans' of the game. There were a lot of business (and quite possibly personal) reasons that were involved in this too, but it was a voluntary decision after reading too many hateful messages, that stopped it.

That said, Hogshead really were mainly involved in keeping the 1st edition (and supplements) in print, rather than doing wholesale revisions.

I also feel a little 'too old' for the Warhammer 40K titles too, I have to say. I'm more of a Call of Cthulhu/Ars Magica/Traveller man myself, although I still have a softspot for WFRP, I must admit. Nevertheless, the continuation of both the lines through Fantasy Flight is excellent news. They should do well with them.
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Postby AKAramis » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:41 pm

TrippyHippy wrote:
AKAramis wrote:
cj.23 wrote:#
Hogshead was under some interesting limitations...

I've been told that they could not revise the core rules, unless they brought them up to match WFRP6 setting materials, and later on, Realms of Socery was delayed for revision to match WFRP6 which meant it didn't match the core rules. They were not even allowed to change the layout!

They did add to the core, but getting stuff done was difficult, and James Wallis apparently got fed up with fighting to get stuff approved. He returned the license before it expired!

So, quite simply put, James Wallis' statements at the end made it clear that GW was trying to make it unprofitable for HHP to continue.
James Wallis withdrew from the rpg community, ending Hogshead Publishing in the process, after vocally expressing his exasperation at the attitude of complaining 'fans' of the game. There were a lot of business (and quite possibly personal) reasons that were involved in this too, but it was a voluntary decision after reading too many hateful messages, that stopped it.

That said, Hogshead really were mainly involved in keeping the 1st edition (and supplements) in print, rather than doing wholesale revisions.

I also feel a little 'too old' for the Warhammer 40K titles too, I have to say. I'm more of a Call of Cthulhu/Ars Magica/Traveller man myself, although I still have a softspot for WFRP, I must admit. Nevertheless, the continuation of both the lines through Fantasy Flight is excellent news. They should do well with them.
Hoshead wasn't allowed to update without doing a wholesale revision to match WFB5. (Source: Matthew Pook, who worked for James)
Fans were clamoring for two very different games: one updated to WFB 6, and one ignroing everything post WFB3. (ibid.)
James complained bitterly about fan complaints. (James' HHP Blog)

James was not ready for the internet blitz... every action second guessed in public forae. He himself complained of this.

In short, James had a publishing company, decided to go for it, realized he'd bitten off too much, and tried to chew it anyway, nearly got a handle on it, then gagged.

I'm still loyal to 1st ed. I like the setting better, and the mechanics better. (and yes, I like seeing the occasional I=140 elf and WS 90 Elven Targeteer.
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Postby EDG » Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:11 pm

Vorlon Servant wrote:Good news! Fantasy Flight Games has just picked up the licence for Games Workshops stuff. They will be supporting the Warhammer and Dark Heresy games as well as Talisman and the Sabertooth card games.

Sometimes, people listen.
I'd be hesitant to call that "good news" given FFG's track records with RPGs (after an initial burst of supplements Blue Planet v2 sank without trace under their ownership. I don't even think they admitted to letting it go, they just ignored it completely). But we'll see.

I'm still waiting for my copy of Dark Heresy to arrive from amazon...
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