Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

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Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby Stu-- » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:46 pm

Hi all. If a drone hits a Klingon ship to the forward arc, does the special Klingon shield rule apply?
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby Captain Jonah » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:48 pm

Stu-- wrote:Hi all. If a drone hits a Klingon ship to the forward arc, does the special Klingon shield rule apply?
Yep. Any and all weapon hits in the front arc count the klingon uber shield rule.
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby billclo » Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:20 pm

That's the way we've been playing it as well.
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby McKinstry » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:21 pm

That's how we play it.
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby Stu-- » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:09 pm

Yep that's fine. Thought it was correct but just checking.

Played Kzinti vs Klingon today and the Kzinti got absolutely wasted.
Had a good number of drone hits but mostly all against the front shields of the klinks, causing more or less no damage.

We're going to turn it around and try again tomorrow or Saturday.
I think the Kzinti player just needs to maneuver a little harder to keep the Klingon front shields out of play as much as possible.
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby scoutdad » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:14 pm

McKinstry wrote:That's how we play it.
Ditto for Battlegroup Murfreesboro.
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby Myrm » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:49 am

Stu-- wrote:Played Kzinti vs Klingon today and the Kzinti got absolutely wasted.
Had a good number of drone hits but mostly all against the front shields of the klinks, causing more or less no damage.
The main purpose of drones vs Klingons is to strip their large banks of phasers out of the cmbat equation, so they are not firing them at you. If a Klingon lines you up properly the sheer number phasers being fired can get quite alarming and thats what you are aiming to take out.

Then batter at that shield with phasers in kill zone and disruptors.

The other thing that is vital for a Kzinti is to double team, even if that means accepting some damage - you have to have a threat up front and then someone in another arc of the Klingon. If you do not Klingon manoeuvring will have sabredanced every vessel into pointing front end toward you.
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby bolive » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:34 pm

OK I have a question. I have a D7 and there are three AD of drones coming at me from the aft arc. I have three Phaser-2 with 2 AD each that I can use to shoot them down. Can I use 1 AD from each of the weapons to shoot them down and still use the remaining 3 AD to attack.
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby scoutdad » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:54 pm

bolive wrote:OK I have a question. I have a D7 and there are three AD of drones coming at me from the aft arc. I have three Phaser-2 with 2 AD each that I can use to shoot them down. Can I use 1 AD from each of the weapons to shoot them down and still use the remaining 3 AD to attack.
If you're using the advanced rules, then yes. weapon mounts may be split among different targets and split between Offensive/Defensive fire - you just have to track when the weapons are fired, so that no single phaser accidentally gets fired more than once a turn.

If using the basic rules, then no. Weapon mounts cannot be split between targets / phases.

Or at least that's the way we understand the rules and play the game.
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby bolive » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:08 pm

scoutdad wrote:
bolive wrote:OK I have a question. I have a D7 and there are three AD of drones coming at me from the aft arc. I have three Phaser-2 with 2 AD each that I can use to shoot them down. Can I use 1 AD from each of the weapons to shoot them down and still use the remaining 3 AD to attack.
If you're using the advanced rules, then yes. weapon mounts may be split among different targets and split between Offensive/Defensive fire - you just have to track when the weapons are fired, so that no single phaser accidentally gets fired more than once a turn.

If using the basic rules, then no. Weapon mounts cannot be split between targets / phases.

Or at least that's the way we understand the rules and play the game.
Thanks that's what I thought just wanted to be sure. I am hoping to make NashCon this year. I heard you had a massive fleet. :)
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby Myrm » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:55 pm

scoutdad wrote: If you're using the advanced rules, then yes. weapon mounts may be split among different targets and split between Offensive/Defensive fire.
Hmm, OK from the advanced rules we thought you had to dedicate an entire mount to either defensive or offensive fire....within that then you could split fire happily.
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby scoutdad » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:52 pm

bolive wrote:... I am hoping to make NashCon this year. I heard you had a massive fleet. :)
So far it's only ~12,000 points of Romulans, ~10,000 points of Klingons, ~13,000 points of Feds, ~3,000 points of Kzinti, a Gorn Fleet box, and some miscelleous Orions thown in. :mrgreen:

But we'd love to have you at NashCon. It's looking to be a really big show.
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby Greg Smith » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:54 pm

Myrm wrote: Hmm, OK from the advanced rules we thought you had to dedicate an entire mount to either defensive or offensive fire....within that then you could split fire happily.
I though that too.
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby Stu-- » Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:02 pm

FWIW, we play as per scoutdad's interpretation - 1 AD from each bank can be fired and the remainder used for other purposes.



Played again today with Klink vs Kzinti, with a more even result.

The Kzinti got quite a few drone hits, but few against the hull, with the exception being a lone D6 who was out of anti-drones & used all his phasers. He took 4 hits to the hull which took him out. Many Klink phasers were indeed used to nullify drones, rather than offensively.

The klingon shields special rule accounted for 40 hits nulled against the front shields, with about half being drone hits, that's in a 1000 point game.

Seems to us that the Kzinti advantages other than drones, which are not great vs klingons is their maneuverability (cancelled out by klinks) and their good shields (except light cruisers)
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby billclo » Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:54 pm

Myrm wrote: Hmm, OK from the advanced rules we thought you had to dedicate an entire mount to either defensive or offensive fire....within that then you could split fire happily.
That's the way I thought it went as well: the entire "weapon system" could be used for either offensive or defensive fire, not both.
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby Myrm » Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:15 pm

My brain is also telling me I play that way because Matt said so....need to spend some time searching methinks
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby Greg Smith » Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:37 pm

It is one of Matt's rulings:
Q:” If I have 2 Attack Die in my phasers and I use 1 to fire at a ship can save to other for defensive fire?
A:” No, you must pick offensive _or_ defensive fire.”
Edit: found the post - viewtopic.php?f=103&t=50244&p=708876&hi ... ve#p708876
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby Allerka » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:10 pm

scoutdad wrote:
bolive wrote:... I am hoping to make NashCon this year. I heard you had a massive fleet. :)
So far it's only ~12,000 points of Romulans, ~10,000 points of Klingons, ~13,000 points of Feds, ~3,000 points of Kzinti, a Gorn Fleet box, and some miscelleous Orions thown in. :mrgreen:

But we'd love to have you at NashCon. It's looking to be a really big show.
Sounds like me and my 40K armies. "Only" 15,000 points in my main Space Marine force... :lol:

NashCon is sounding more and more interesting. It'd be nice to actually play a game or two with someone who knows what they're doing, as my friend and I that play are still largely taking wild stabs at certain things.
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby scoutdad » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:13 pm

Greg Smith wrote:It is one of Matt's rulings:
Q:” If I have 2 Attack Die in my phasers and I use 1 to fire at a ship can save to other for defensive fire?
A:” No, you must pick offensive _or_ defensive fire.”
Edit: found the post - viewtopic.php?f=103&t=50244&p=708876&hi ... ve#p708876
Well.. color me red! :oops:

I'm adding that to my list of Matt's rulings. Don't know how I missed it before.
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Re: Drones vs Klingon front Shields?

Postby scoutdad » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:17 pm

Allerka wrote:
scoutdad wrote:
bolive wrote:... I am hoping to make NashCon this year. I heard you had a massive fleet. :)
So far it's only ~12,000 points of Romulans, ~10,000 points of Klingons, ~13,000 points of Feds, ~3,000 points of Kzinti, a Gorn Fleet box, and some miscelleous Orions thown in. :mrgreen:

But we'd love to have you at NashCon. It's looking to be a really big show.
NashCon is sounding more and more interesting. It'd be nice to actually play a game or two with someone who knows what they're doing, as my friend and I that play are still largely taking wild stabs at certain things.
Not sure we "know what we're doing"... but...

If all of the locals that plan ot attend show up, and the relatively certain out of towners show up.
There will be ~15-16 players there.
That'll make the Battle of Kh'rtis Rock go quickly and a 16 player, 4 round tournamnet would be awesome!!!
For 16 players, we'd have to get Matt and ADB to pony up some prizes. :wink:

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