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New Errata

Postby msprange » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:08 pm

Just to let you all know, the errata has been updated. Nothing major of sky-shaking, just a few bits and bobs our friends at ADB wanted tweaking.

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/pdf/sferrata.pdf
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Re: New Errata

Postby Da Boss » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:26 pm

actually some big changes:

Gorn took another hit:

Light Cruiser: Change Transporters to 2. Remove Phaser-1s with PH and SH arcs.
Medium Cruiser: SH and PH Phaser-1s should be 1AD each.

although their destroyer now is Agile

Romulans got better Sparrowhawk and Firehawk
SparrowHawk: Change Damage to 22/8. Change Phaser-3 fire arcs to A, P and A, S. Add 2 more 1 AD phaser-3s with fire arcs PH and SH.
FireHawk: Change Damage to 32/11. Change Phaser-3 fire arcs to A, P and A, S. Add 2 more 1 AD phaser-3s with fire arcs PH and SH
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Re: New Errata

Postby H » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:29 pm

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Re: New Errata

Postby Captain Jonah » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:30 pm

I follow the link and get the 18/1/12 errata??

Oi leave the Gorn alone you sods :shock: :evil:
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Re: New Errata

Postby Da Boss » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:08 pm

Strange I get the new version when click on the link ?

maybe you need to refresh browser or something?

or might be that your slow and lumbering Gorn computer can't cope :twisted:
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Re: New Errata

Postby Captain Jonah » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:33 pm

Da Boss wrote: or might be that your slow and lumbering Gorn computer can't cope :twisted:
Who are you calling slow and lumbering. :shock:

I'll sort you out for that insult. I'll have my computer Insult yours most horribly. Expect something in about ten minutes :lol:


And yes I tried the refresh. Several times, I may even thump the screen a bit. Though its probably the works firewalls getting in the way again.
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Re: New Errata

Postby H » Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:45 pm

hello slow dim witted gorn, the Romulans cordially invite to you to come kick Klingon ass with us..
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Re: New Errata

Postby Zarash » Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:45 pm

Page 8
Plasma-D Torpedo: If a ship has not used a loaded Plasma-D torpedo in a turn and is attacked by enemy drones, it may choose to forego any firing of the Plasma-D in that turn and instead gain the Anti-Drone trait with a score equal to the number of Plasma-D torpedoes it is dedicating to this duty. When finished, the Plasma-D torpedo will require reloading. If it runs out of ammunition whole using the Anti-Drone trait, it may continue to use the Plasma-D torpedo during the battle but it will need reloading first.


If it runs out of ammunition whole using the Anti-Drone trait,

Change whole to while?
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Re: New Errata

Postby Captain Jonah » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:10 pm

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H wrote:hello slow dim witted gorn, the Romulans cordially invite to you to come kick Klingon ass with us..
Plasma users of the verse unite. Bring in the ISC and crush the worthless drone using cowards.


On a much more serious Note. :(

MSprange and the ADB people.

This is taking the piss now. The joke has fallen flat. Where is this anti Gorn bias coming from, if you hate them so badly just say so and drop them from the game. :(

I have looked at the latest Errata:

Light Cruiser: Change Transporters to 2. Remove Phaser-1s with PH and SH arcs. :(

Not content with leaving the Gorn with cruisers that are one third as manoeuvrable as the D7 (One sixth for everything bigger than a CL) you are now taking away weapons that they have in FC and SFB.
All of the Gorn cruisers have phaser-1s in the wings with a 180 degree arc. I have the SSD for a light cruiser in front of me now. Phaser 1s FA+L, FA+R, LS, RS.

Why is the errata now saying remove the PH and SH phasers? Why is the CL being reduced to having NO phaser 1s covering its rear arc? Why if you are trying to match the SSDs are you not reducing the F/P and F/S phaser-1s to 1AD

Come on guys. This is the Errata of the Errata of the errata. Is the Gorn CL change another mistake? If it is deliberate, WHY? :cry:
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Re: New Errata

Postby GalagaGalaxian » Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:17 pm

Captain Jonah wrote:Come on guys. This is the Errata of the Errata of the errata. Is the Gorn CL change another mistake? If it is deliberate, WHY? :cry:
Yes and no. From what I can tell, it did have two phaser-1s it wasn't supposed to have compared to FedCom, the problem is they removed the wrong ones.

The PH/SH wing phasers should stay and the front FP/FS phasers should be reduced to 1AD each.
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Re: New Errata

Postby Da Boss » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:48 pm

GalagaGalaxian wrote:
Captain Jonah wrote:Come on guys. This is the Errata of the Errata of the errata. Is the Gorn CL change another mistake? If it is deliberate, WHY? :cry:
Yes and no. From what I can tell, it did have two phaser-1s it wasn't supposed to have compared to FedCom, the problem is they removed the wrong ones.

The PH/SH wing phasers should stay and the front FP/FS phasers should be reduced to 1AD each.
Still its a big drop on the ship and nothing in return - as opposed to the Romulans who get better arcs and more guns - for free........... :twisted:

Still thats a discussion to have with the ADB people perhaps as Matt said these were changes they asked for......
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Re: New Errata

Postby Jean » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:08 pm

SVC is aware of this issue and is in communication with Matthew regarding it.

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Re: New Errata

Postby GalagaGalaxian » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:20 pm

Da Boss wrote:Still its a big drop on the ship and nothing in return - as opposed to the Romulans who get better arcs and more guns - for free........... :twisted:

Still thats a discussion to have with the ADB people perhaps as Matt said these were changes they asked for......
I certainly agree that some points costs on ships across factions should be looked at. However, we might as well make sure all the ships are "accurate" (to ADB's exacting satisfaction) first before we worry about adjusting points costs. :P

That way we don't get the points adjusted and then find out there was another wayward extra/missing phaser somewhere. Personally, I'm starting to wonder how long until we get CTA: Star Fleet - A Sky Full of Stars. :roll:
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Re: New Errata

Postby Da Boss » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:33 pm

GalagaGalaxian wrote:
Da Boss wrote:Still its a big drop on the ship and nothing in return - as opposed to the Romulans who get better arcs and more guns - for free........... :twisted:

Still thats a discussion to have with the ADB people perhaps as Matt said these were changes they asked for......
I certainly agree that some points costs on ships across factions should be looked at. However, we might as well make sure all the ships are "accurate" (to ADB's exacting satisfaction) first before we worry about adjusting points costs. :P

That way we don't get the points adjusted and then find out there was another wayward extra/missing phaser somewhere. Personally, I'm starting to wonder how long until we get CTA: Star Fleet - A Sky Full of Stars. :roll:
Or the Summer/ Autumn relaunch is the vaunted 2nd Edition ;)
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Re: New Errata

Postby Ben2 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:38 pm

See if there was a discount or book upgrade option for people who bought the first printing I wouldn't have a problem with doing 1.5 ed or Sky Full of Stars esque changes for the relaunch.

There's a lot of stuff in the book Mongoose has already changed, and there'll be some more stuff to be changed. Getting all the typos and sorting out changes to points that go with all the changes to the ships as well as making sure everything is water tight for rules and maybe slipping a couple more ships in (you could probably get another three in the Gorn section with the amount of space there is there) and slipping in some variants to up the variety (add the Tholian photon variants for instance) and jobs a good one.

I'd love to see another Romulan ship snuck in (ie the Vulture) and if you ditch the Task Force Phoenix page (sorry guys) you could give the Klingons another page (G2 and A.N. other ship). The Feds have a lot of choice, but the other races are a bit restricted.

I'd be willing to go over the manuscript for typos for free.

Of course for big changes it'd be a tough decision for Matt to take.
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Re: New Errata

Postby Nerroth » Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:58 pm

Captain Jonah wrote:Plasma users of the verse unite. Bring in the ISC and crush the worthless drone using cowards.

"Fellow citizens of the Concordium, surely you see this as firm evidence that despite their 'democratic' pretensions, the Confederation of the Gorn is far from being the peaceable realm their envoys claim it to be during their shameless attempts to curry favour within the ISC. Alas, when the time comes for the Pacification Campaign to commence in earnest, our brave and selfless peace-keepers shall have to shoulder the burden of watching both sides of the Gorn-Romulan Neutral Zone. Maybe then might they realize it will all be for their own good..."


Sorry, had to get a bit in-character there.


In case anyone (who hasn't seen the following link alread) wants to see the Ship Card layouts for thesmelves, they are organised according to empire in this portion of the FC Commander's Circle. The ships shown there each have the dreaded 60-degree firing arcs, but they should still give a sense of what each ship in question is supposed to have in ACtA:SF.
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Re: New Errata

Postby Nomad » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:22 pm

Phaser-1s on the Kzinti CM - wrong, and getting wronger. Going by it's Federation Commander stats, this ship should have;

Ph-1 - 18 - F,P - 1AD - Special...usual phaser 1 guff.
Ph-1 - 18 - F,S - 1AD - Special...usual phaser 1 guff.
Ph-1 - 18 - PH - 1AD - Special...usual phaser 1 guff.
Ph-1 - 18 - SH - 1AD - Special...usual phaser 1 guff.

The NCA should have the same phaser-1 arrangement, too.
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Re: New Errata

Postby deadshane » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:02 am

Less drone defense for the Gorn....

...sounds fair.
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Re: New Errata

Postby Rambler » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:09 am

Nomad wrote:Phaser-1s on the Kzinti CM - wrong, and getting wronger. Going by it's Federation Commander stats, this ship should have;

Ph-1 - 18 - F,P - 1AD - Special...usual phaser 1 guff.
Ph-1 - 18 - F,S - 1AD - Special...usual phaser 1 guff.
Ph-1 - 18 - PH - 1AD - Special...usual phaser 1 guff.
Ph-1 - 18 - SH - 1AD - Special...usual phaser 1 guff.

The NCA should have the same phaser-1 arrangement, too.
Actually the way the Kzinti CM and NCA are in the main book work just fine. Hopefully when Ships are ported over they will match 3 criteria;

1) Does the Ship have the Correct number of Phasers?
2) Do the Phasers cover all the exsisting Phaser arcs after being converted from 60* arcs to 90* arcs?
3) Is there a way to reasonable combine phasers to reduce the number of banks to make ACTASF Rules work better?

The CM and NCA as originally published pass those test so even though it is 'wrong' by SFB or FC standards there is nothing wrong with it in ACTASF.

Lets face facts, the Gorn CM had to many phasers. The reason the CM has a 360 Phaser was so it could reduce the Wing Phasers to one and still have functionally the same fire power side to side as a Battlecruiser. There is no reason to ask for a point changge when a ship is corrected to what it has been for 30 years.

Same thing for the Sparrowhawk and Firehawk. Those phasers 3 were suppose to be ther in fact they were they on the Novahawk. Once again there is no reason to scream it needs a point increase.

As far as Gorn AntiDrone if I am reading this right the Gorns and Romulans just got the first truely reloadable Anti Drone System fair enough because it uses the Reload Trait they can only use it every other turn but I can see this working out in thier favor. In longer games.

Edit: added the word orginally.
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Re: New Errata

Postby Stealth7 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:17 am

I fnd this 'errata' highly frustrating, and the reason I abandoned SFB so many years ago. They've had the source material fixed for how long now? Simply take the time to do it right, a straightfowrad copy of data. But here we go again, no sooner is the book released then here comes the errata. Then more errata, then revisions, then 'tweaks', 'clarifications', what have you. I just bought the book, thank you, not two days ago, and now you tell me 'Oops, sorry, we screwed up not once, twice, but oh, maybe 2 dozen changes' ? Planning on replacing my book anytime soon, for free? Bah!


Why the 'heck' should I buy into a game where they cannot even create the ships correct the first time? This is to you, Mongoose.

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