Gencon over, gimme Manta!

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Gencon over, gimme Manta!

Postby Poi » Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:01 pm

I don't game MC1, but I gotta get me one of these if they are any good.

Any chance of a pic? Even a WIP would be cool.

Go on Matt, you know you want to.
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Manta Prowl Tank

Postby Shokker » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:51 am

Hopefully it'll look something like this... :)
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Re: Gencon over, gimme Manta!

Postby cheetor » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:09 pm

Whats this about? Was there an actual announcement regarding a Manta model?


Any links or any actual information?
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You little tease!

Postby Shokker » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:17 pm

Matt teased us with:

"In other news, we have just had a bunch of Star Fleet books turn up, all very useful for A Call to Arms: Star Fleet. Sand is just coming to the end of her Noble Armada ship schedule, will be working on a 28mm scale Manta Prowl tank for Judge Dredd (really!), and then she dives into Star Fleet for the next four months!"
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Re: You little tease!

Postby cheetor » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:56 pm

Shokker wrote:
"In other news, we have just had a bunch of Star Fleet books turn up, all very useful for A Call to Arms: Star Fleet. Sand is just coming to the end of her Noble Armada ship schedule, will be working on a 28mm scale Manta Prowl tank for Judge Dredd (really!), and then she dives into Star Fleet for the next four months!"

Firstly, thank you for the details.

Secondly, wow. I really never thought that that would happen.

Put me down for two right now :)

Shokker wrote:Matt teased us
Was the teasing done online or at Gencon? If it was online then does anyone have a link?
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Eye on Mongoose

Postby Shokker » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:53 pm

cheetor wrote: Was the teasing done online or at Gencon? If it was online then does anyone have a link?
The announcement was made on the 'Eye on Mongoose' Facebook page. :)
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Postby msprange » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:42 am

Pop quiz for all you Manta-watchers...

This monster will be about the size of a GW Baneblade, and is very heavily detailed. It will be cast in resin, and comes with a small stand that will allow it to 'float' just off the ground.

The turret rotates, and it has optional parts for the 'wings' to be folded in or out.

What would you think of paying for such a monster? We do not believe we will sell loads of these, which suggests the price would be towards the high end. We are not thinking Forge World pricing, but I think we would be approaching it.

Let us know your thoughts...
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Postby Poi » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:50 am

I want one!
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Postby cheetor » Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:12 am

Forge World Super Heavy Tanks (Baneblades etc) cost from £75-£100. Thats a lot of money for a gaming miniature that probably wont get a lot of use by its very nature and will take many hours of work before it can be displayed. Thats also the cost before shipping of big fragile bits of resin is factored in (I would hope to pick up mine at Salute or similar if possible).

I will very likely buy one 28mm model of a Manta because I have wanted one since I was a kid and will enjoy finally getting to paint one. If it costs~£50-£75 I would consider buying two, but its unlikely really. If it costs more than that I will definitely only get one. It really is at the top end of my hobby budget limits though: the sort of purchase that can only be made once a year.

I like resin models but very large vehicles with multiple elements can be a pain to assemble. The casting has to be very precise or it can become a chore very quickly. This is even more important when assembling a smooth lined, sci-fi vehicle like a Manta. The quality of the castings would be a large factor in whether I would buy multiple Mantas.

Personally I dont really want to spend money on detailed interiors and the like, but I may be in the minority there.

I am very pleased to hear that the model is planned to be roughly Baneblade sized. I figured that you guys may have scaled it down for convenience, but it sounds like it will be perfect. Cant wait to see some progress :)
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Postby GMAN » Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:49 am

Hmmmm, i'm not sure about this one. On one hand, it'd be a cool mini and i'm sure itd paint up well. On the other hand, i'm not sure when i'd ever use it. After all, in the games i've played, no ones had a reason to shell out for a standard holocaust judge for support, let alone an entire manta. Unless you are looking at moving away from skirmish rules and moving into mass battles, i just cant see them being used as much.

I'm not sure what the current state of materials are at the moment, a lot of companies seem to be focusing on resin at the moment. My only knowledge of resin minis is forgeworld, and frankly, i just wouldnt have the money to go there. If plastic was a cheaper option, i'd say go for that, even if the quality isnt as crisp. I've seen the 40K Baneblade thats standard plastic which is around about £50-£60 if you shop about, and seems every bit as nice as the forgeworld one, from the pics anyway. Something like that, i'd happily pay around £40-£50 for a manta, even if it wasn't really going to see the battlefield.

I do love the fact that the Dredd range is pushing forward, mind you. But i think the appealing thing about it is the size. A gang box set for £20 and your not only off, but you have enough minis to try a few options with and a few to add to your gang as it grows. A judge team can start for less than a tenner. That's just the way i see it.
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Postby msprange » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:34 pm

Block War rules will be coming soon :)
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Postby Dredd Times » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:07 pm

Hi Matthew,
In all seriousness I think that a kit around the size of a Baneblade should be around £60-75, though I know that a lot of people would be put off spending that amount for a model kit. I definitely want at least one myself and right now I am reworking Dredd Times so would be showcasing it and the new rules/models as they are released, along with the movie stuff and the new official costumes :)

If you need any help with playtesting, ideas or input please mail me my friend
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Postby BFalcon » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:10 pm

msprange wrote:Block War rules will be coming soon :)
hmm... that wouldn't be Project: Riot, I suppose, would it? The Project: R*** you've been teasing us with?
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Postby Klaetch » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:05 am

msprange wrote:Block War rules will be coming soon :)
Well, that suits me just fine. :D

As for the Manta... I'll be honest, I love the idea of getting one, but I'd be hard pushed to convince myself I could afford greater than £50. And I know you're talking resin (so probably already planning for that), but plastic would be so very much preferable, at least to me.
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Postby Poi » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:23 am

I suspect the volumes won't justify plastic.
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Postby Klaetch » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:14 am

I suspect you're entirely correct.
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Postby necromorph » Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:58 pm

Why is plastic more expensive than resin, when resin minis are far more expensive than plastic ones? I know nothing about the process of making them, also i have never seen a Baneblade, or know how big they are, but from the JDMG current range, with Fatties and Holocaust 2s being the most expensive, if i was going to get a tank sized model, i'd look at around £30/£40, maybe a little more if its awesome, but much more is into the region of my entire years wargaming budget :P
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Postby Klaetch » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:02 pm

The process of setting up for plastic requires a greater initial outlay, so if you're making mass amounts of it you can still offer products for cheaper (because the plastic itself is cheaper, and the process is relatively straightforward), but if you're doing only a small run you're better off with resin and metal (the latter recently becoming less viable simply because of the prices of white metal alloys).
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Postby numanti » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:28 pm

While I would deeply love a Manta, if it is over £50 I'm afraid that is really pushing it for a model kit for me. Even over £40. I just could not justify that kind of price for a single model.
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Postby Draconis » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:04 am

To be fair to Mongoose, I doubt they could actually afford to sell it for less than the £50 region.

GW sell at the same price band, and people buy it. But GW are a global company and can absorb to set up costs knowing that the number of sales will be vast.

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