Balvarin Spotting

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Balvarin Spotting

Postby Garthim » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:15 pm

My gaming group is going to do some scenarios where the only vessels you may use are those that appeared in the show or the movies. We are in conflict about the Balvarin. In Lost Tales, right after the warlock has destroyed the centauri vessl using its heavy particle cannon, in the background is a centauri vessel that appears to be a Balvarin. Can anyone confirm this so we know if we need to include the Balvarin in our scenarios? Thanks.
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Postby Jal » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:55 pm

there is indeed a Balvarian shown in Lost Tales.
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Postby eek » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:13 pm

There's a picture of it here (mid-bottom right): http://www.jumpnow.de/p/movies/vitd/losttales_488.jpg

Incidentally (just in case you missed it), the Kutai can also be seen (below the Warlock): http://www.jumpnow.de/p/movies/vitd/losttales_480.jpg
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Postby Da Boss » Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:57 pm

might give the Centauri a most useful advantage as they have some of their best ships on screen :)

Primus, Vorchan, Balvarin, Kutai,

I think Greg actually listed all ships seen in the show on one thread somewhere on here ?
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Postby Garthim » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:15 pm

Thanks for the pictures eek, none of the members of my group ever noticed the kutai.
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Postby eek » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:45 pm

Da Boss: I started a thread like that after I first came here, maybe that was it?
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB ... highlight=
Greg had caught a ton of ships that I'd missed.

Garthim: No problem. There's also a couple of shots of the Brakiri Tashkat (lower right on all three):
http://www.jumpnow.de/p/movies/vitd/losttales_676.jpg
http://www.jumpnow.de/p/movies/vitd/losttales_037.jpg
http://www.jumpnow.de/p/movies/vitd/losttales_074.jpg
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Postby Garthim » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:57 am

Thanks for pointing out the Tashkat eek and providing the pics. I read the thread that you provided a link to and have another question. Blue Star was listed as making an appearance on screen according to that thread. Do you happen to have a shot of it?
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Postby Da Boss » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:34 am

eek wrote:Da Boss: I started a thread like that after I first came here, maybe that was it?
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB ... highlight=
Greg had caught a ton of ships that I'd missed.

Garthim: No problem. There's also a couple of shots of the Brakiri Tashkat (lower right on all three):
http://www.jumpnow.de/p/movies/vitd/losttales_676.jpg
http://www.jumpnow.de/p/movies/vitd/losttales_037.jpg
http://www.jumpnow.de/p/movies/vitd/losttales_074.jpg
yep thats it - thanks it was most useful :)
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Postby H » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:29 am

Garthim wrote:Thanks for pointing out the Tashkat eek and providing the pics. I read the thread that you provided a link to and have another question. Blue Star was listed as making an appearance on screen according to that thread. Do you happen to have a shot of it?
no, but I "think" it was the second to last episode of season 5.
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Postby eek » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:41 am

Garthim wrote:Thanks for pointing out the Tashkat eek and providing the pics. I read the thread that you provided a link to and have another question. Blue Star was listed as making an appearance on screen according to that thread. Do you happen to have a shot of it?
Yep, I've got a few. Last episode of season 5, "Sleeping In Light":

http://s14.photobucket.com/albums/a321/ ... bylon%205/
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Postby Greg Smith » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:41 am

It was the last episode. Sheridan used it to get to B5 and out into space.
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Postby Garthim » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:02 pm

Thanks so much for all the pics and help. I will show these to my gaming group and have the scenarios under way by this weekend.
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Postby H » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:26 pm

I pity any Narn player :-( one substandard battleship, and a one dimensional raid ship. My money is on the centauri, against anyone. (well ok, maybe not the shadows)
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Postby Burger » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:29 pm

I pity the Abbai, they don't even get any ships!!
Pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
Cos there's bugger all down here on Earth.

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Postby AdrianH » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:22 pm

Neither do the Gaim. ;)

I'm not a gambler so I won't take Hiffano's money, but I'd take Earth against the Centauri or any other Younger Race. Ships at all levels from Skirmish up, plus two types of fighter.

I'm not 100% sure about that Tashkat. It's difficult to judge size, but the shape of the vertical tail fin, the lack of forward wings and the lack of vertical finlets on the wingtips all say that could be a Shakara instead. Although the Shakara has a round cross-section hull whereas the Tashkat, like the ships in those photos, has a square cross-section. For the purposes of the game, decide if you want the Brakiri to have nothing smaller than Battle level or nothing larger than Battle level. ;)
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Postby Democratus » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:13 pm

Three EA fighters. Didn't the Badger make an appearance?

Perhaps if one side simply played "League" then there would be enough variety. As it is, Centauri and EA have the real on-screen variety.
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Postby sidewinder » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:24 pm

If thats supposed to be a blue star, that thing is bigger then the whitestar. I thought they were supposed to be tiny?
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Postby lastbesthope » Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:32 pm

Democratus wrote:Three EA fighters. Didn't the Badger make an appearance?
Yup, Voice in the Wilderness Part 2

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Postby AdrianH » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:33 pm

Time to be pedantic. :D The Badger never made an appearance. It was supposed to appear in the film "In The Beginning" but never did.

What appears in "A Voice In The Wilderness" is just a heavy fighter. Chameleon Eclectic, designers of the Babylon Project RPG, found out about the name Badger and wrongly applied it to this fighter. AOG copied them, Mongoose copied AOG. According to Tim Earls, who designed it, "The Badger is more like an F-111 with pilot and co-pilot sitting side-by-side in a lengthened fuselage with the wings swept slightly forward".

For references, take a look at B5 Scrolls, featuring (among other things) a whole lot of ship designs plus comments from the designers. For one thing, I was wrong on another count - the Gaim did get one ship, a fighter which looks nothing like the Klikkita. ;)

As for the Blue Star, it's difficult to judge size from the first of Eek's photos, but most of the nose section seems to be the cockpit, so guess that it's somewhere around the size of the bridge of a White Star. That would make the whole Blue Star about the size of the top part of a White Star. It looks bigger than a White Star in that photo because it's coming towards you and the nearest White Star isn't. :)
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Postby Garthim » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:18 pm

The starfuries seen at the start of Thirdspace which are fighting the raiders have missles mounted on their wings if you look closely. We always assumed in my gaming group those were badgers based on the Mongoose models.
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