Anybody got world at war evo..?

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Anybody got world at war evo..?

Postby soulman » Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:45 pm

I`m i the only one that got the new rules..!!!!

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Postby Ali the conqueror » Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:48 pm

glad you did... I haven't got my book yet...
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Postby Shadow4ce » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:57 pm

Still checking the mail religiously here. Well, okay, my wife is as I've been working all day for the last 5. :cry:
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Postby tiepilot1138 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:49 pm

I'm still waiting for the call from my LGS saying it's in (and probably will be for several more weeks)... :cry:
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Re: Anybody got world at war evo..?

Postby lastbesthope » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:47 pm

soulman wrote:I`m i the only one that got the new rules..!!!!

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Acquired one at Salute on Suday

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Postby Troll66 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:06 pm

Yep got mine at Salute - can't leave Salute without a new set of ules to read!

So far so good - I will play these rules - my only questions at the moment are:

1) no thompson SMGs are listed and no stats given for allied forces just M3 grease guns instead - thats a bit wrong afaik ww2

2) can a figure benefit from both an Obscured LOS and Cover - if not why not?

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Postby soulman » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:50 pm

Yes i know what you mean, but its still a smg etc..!!

As for the Obscured LOS and Cover , i thought obscured was lt cover, which is a +1 to kill only..?

I`m off to bed for another read, it was the only rules i picked up from salute, and some nice changes and new stuff, but as you said they is a few little things missing or mis placed, ie/ bombs and not rockets on the typhoon, but a army book would sort that out, i was thinking using the campaigh rules from old evo with WAW..
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Postby lastbesthope » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:30 pm

Troll66 wrote: 2) can a figure benefit from both an Obscured LOS and Cover - if not why not?

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No, See P.20, left column, Summary of Cover, Terrain and LOS.

The book looks amazing, pity it's not in colour, or better yet a colour hardback.

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Postby Troll66 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:54 pm

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The book looks amazing, pity it's not in colour, or better yet a colour hardback.

LBH[/quote]

ah well yeah such is mongoose these days maybe if the PB version does well...
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Postby MarkNorfolk » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:26 am

Mine turned up in the post today - and I'm in Australia! Good work people!

I too was surprised it was in black and white but it's still pretty good. Nice to see the Engangement matrix is still around. I would have liked the 'Stream' trait to have remained for flamethrowers. Still, that's a trifle.

Looking forward to demoing this but I have to wait for my Bolt-Action-via-Mongoose order to get here - probably some weeks away :( .

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Postby Shadow4ce » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:50 am

Troll66 wrote:Yep got mine at Salute - can't leave Salute without a new set of ules to read!

So far so good - I will play these rules - my only questions at the moment are:

1) no thompson SMGs are listed and no stats given for allied forces just M3 grease guns instead - thats a bit wrong afaik ww2

2) can a figure benefit from both an Obscured LOS and Cover - if not why not?

cheers
Question #2 was expertly answered by LBH above.

Question #1 I'll answer in reverse order in two parts:

Part 2 - M3 first showed up in WWII, so it is a-okay to include.
Part 1 - No Thompson?!?!?! :shock: :shock: :shock: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Over :?: :!: :?: :!: :?: :!: :evil: :evil: :evil:

If it is not hiding somewhere you missed, then MGP should be :oops: about this oversight. Uncle Tommy Rocks! While heavy, the weapon only has 11 working parts AFAIK, which made it incredibly reliable, and the choice of US NCOs on both fronts (along with any other soldier/marine who could get his hands on one). An SMG is nothing more than an expensive club if it doesn't go bang after a little dirt gets in it. Poor M-3 :wink:
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Postby soulman » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:02 am

Pleased i`m not the only one with the rules..

Some questions

1. Why is the sherman the slowest tank around, slower then the tiger..?

2. The tiger tank main gin has piecing 1 ? should that be piecing / 3

3/ Should War at war have its own sub section from standed Evo, since its a new rules system etc..

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Postby Troll66 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:41 am

1) dunno sounds off to me...
2) Tiger I had the L57 gun (piercing 1) tiger II had the L71 gun (piercing 2
3) YES absolutely!

Also no grenade rules and grenade launchers seem over ranged afaik ww2.

This is small stuff - the game should work very well I think - look forward to giving it a run through soon.
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Postby Agis » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:56 pm

Thompson - not included because the Thompson was replaced during late war by the M3/M3A1 submachine gun, and the M1/M2 carbine.
I included the Thompson in the Pacific war draft.
If your minis are equipped with one assume the same stats, all SMG are the same in WaW. :wink:


Sherman - Speed 38 km/h (but only for a brief time!) - 3"/7" in WaW
Tiger I - Speed 38 km/h - 4"/8" in WaW
All fine for me... :wink:


Guns:
Tiger I: 8.8cm L56 anti-tank gun 60” D10+4 Lethal Zone/1”, Multihit, Piercing/1, Slow
Tiger II: 8.8cm L71 anti-tank gun 60” D10+4 Lethal Zone/1”, Multihit, Piercing/3, Slow

OK? :wink: Both guns are absolutely deadly in WaW, as it should be...
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Postby boomgoose » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:16 pm

It does seem like the Tiger's gun is powerful. For comparative curiousity, wait is the hit/kill scores for the Shermans and its armor?
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Postby Troll66 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:22 pm

Thanks for reply.

I am ok treating all smg the same stat wise (i'll play final combat if I'm in that kinda mood).

BUT

what about grenades I dont see them in WaW?
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Postby soulman » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:28 pm

Yes no grenades, but the stats are in the SST playtest rules, i guess they are not that powerful to use in ww2, or that its apart of close combat..?

Also no medic rules, but again i guess ww2 medical knowledge was very poor unlike todays training..
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Postby Agis » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:51 pm

boomgoose wrote:It does seem like the Tiger's gun is powerful. For comparative curiousity, wait is the hit/kill scores for the Shermans and its armor?
Sorry, can't tell too much... :oops:
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Postby tiepilot1138 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:37 pm

I just came back from my LGS, and to thier knowledge they hadn't received it yet.
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Postby Agis » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:58 pm

soulman wrote:Yes no grenades, but the stats are in the SST playtest rules, i guess they are not that powerful to use in ww2, or that its apart of close combat..?

Also no medic rules, but again i guess ww2 medical knowledge was very poor unlike todays training..
Both grenades and "no medics" were pure game design decisions of Matt.
I had written 2 versions for Medics:
1 -like SSt 1st ed
2nd - more or less like 40K or AT-43 medic
Both did not went in; which is -IMO- in retrospect a very good decision.
Medics are just a throttle on Kill velocity.
The design is more on the abstract level (see above - all SMGs have the same stats) - medics just did not fit in... :wink:
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