Battlefield Evolution - An Update

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Battlefield Evolution - An Update

Postby MongooseMatt » Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:57 pm

Hi guys,

Just wanted to drop by and let you all know what is happening with BF Evo at the moment.

As you will probably have heard, the game is coming back sans miniatures, in a variety of 'flavours'.

Remaining true to the original BF Evo concept, the core rules between these games will remain identical, meaning that if you can play one, you automatically know how to play the others! The differences in the rulebooks are typically found in the 'Advanced Rules' chapter and the army lists.

For example, there are Advanced Rules for deploying from helicopters in Modern Combat, but these are absent in World at War. However, both games use the same Advanced Rules for Suppression.

In terms of development, the core rules are just about complete, requiring just a little editing and tweaking after the current round of playtesting (which has been going on for quite some time!).

We are looking to go to print with Battlefield Evolution: World at War, the WWII game, early next month, and it will be in stores around the middle of April as a spanky big hardback. Battlefield Evolution: Modern Combat will follow 2-3 months later. Somewhere around this time, we will also be releasing a free to download PDF 'modification' that allows the use of Starship Troopers with the core rules.

Speaking of Starship Troopers, expect some new people in this forum at the end of this week, as we are transferring the SST forum to this one, as you will all be using the same rules set. Makes sense to keep things together!

Here in the office, we have been putting together our own armies for the games. My German Wehrmacht Grenadiers have been swelled recently with some choice units, such as a squad of Pioneers (flame unit!) and a Bf-110. Already have some British Commandos on the way, though I have been told quite directly that my Lancaster with Grand Slam will _not_ be allowed in the game!

We have a mix of scales here in the office, with some choosing 28mm - while I have gone down the 1/72 route. The choice of models in this scale is quite simply awesome (remember all those Airfix kist you used to build?), and the diecast models from companies such as Corgi mean there are also a wide range of 'pre-paints' available!

Overall, the game is much as you remember it, but there have been a lot of tweaks based on the feedback you have provided us. Fire Zones, for example, are now centred on an enemy model, while close combat and artillery have been wholly revised. Full army lists are now included in the game, with far, far, far greater options than before.

We are now just wondering how long it will be until someone gets the idea of pitting their Desert Rats army against the Arachnids!
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Postby hegemon » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:02 pm

Matt, by any chance will you be having a "Launch Party," for WaW and/or MC?

I would love to come up and have a couple of games!
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Postby MongooseMatt » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:04 pm

hegemon wrote:Matt, by any chance will you be having a "Launch Party," for WaW and/or MC?

I would love to come up and have a couple of games!
I am sure we will be arranging something, plus tournaments later in the year!
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Postby Bubba Ho-Tep » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:39 pm

Thanks for the update Matt, it make me happy to hear this.
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Postby Col_stone » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:51 pm

Thanks for the update matt :)
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Re: Battlefield Evolution - An Update

Postby Proteus454 » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:01 pm

msprange wrote:We are now just wondering how long it will be until someone gets the idea of pitting their Desert Rats army against the Arachnids!
*groan*
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Re: Battlefield Evolution - An Update

Postby Pietia » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:34 pm

Proteus454 wrote:
msprange wrote:We are now just wondering how long it will be until someone gets the idea of pitting their Desert Rats army against the Arachnids!
*groan*
Been there, done that (although not the Desert Rats, but the modern Bundeswehr). A lot of fun :D
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Postby Armchair_Marine » Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:04 pm

msprange wrote:
hegemon wrote:Matt, by any chance will you be having a "Launch Party," for WaW and/or MC?

I would love to come up and have a couple of games!
I am sure we will be arranging something, plus tournaments later in the year!
So would I be allowed to use my heroic scale 28mm miniatures against your original BF EVO minis? :D
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Postby SnowDog » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:09 am

Well, well. Quite good news. I might have to get the WaW book to get the look at the rules although I am eagerly waiting for Modern Combat.

Now, to make things clear I have to ask one more question.

Is the Modern Combat the "new version" of BF:E setting with MEA, PLA, EFTF and USMC forces? Or is the setting even more like real world with more factions (yes, I understood there will be Russians included)?

Thanks in advance!
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Postby soulman » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:36 am

Nice to see the words "advanced rules for suppresion " something i was not keen on..

So mid-april, does that mean, but it at salute this year :-)
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Postby kodiak155 » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:03 pm

So, I ain't getting that Super Cobra I paid for - huh?
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Postby Poi » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:40 pm

kodiak155 wrote:So, I ain't getting that Super Cobra I paid for - huh?
Ask Matt for a refund, probably best done by PMing or emailing him rather than on-board.
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Postby Rob_A » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:36 pm

msprange wrote:
hegemon wrote:Matt, by any chance will you be having a "Launch Party," for WaW and/or MC?

I would love to come up and have a couple of games!
I am sure we will be arranging something, plus tournaments later in the year!
Cool stuff.
I would like to see a SST tourney when the new rules come out as well of course. :)
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Postby SnowDog » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:21 pm

Yes, no prepaints in near future, I'm afraid.

I didn't quite catch your meaning what comes to WW2 game. If you mix 20mm and 28mm minis that will look stupid but that is up to individual players not what Mongoose is even proposing (I think). I might have missed something, though...
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Postby Rob_A » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:20 pm

Mongoose is proposing that you can use 20mm OR 28mm miniatures. Like it or not, BF:Evo minis were somewhere between the two, so Matt is taking a dodge here by saying use one or the other.

MGP are making the games more gameable. I will probably use 20mm as that is what most of my club use. If it get's going, then it should be great. :)
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Re: Battlefield Evolution - An Update

Postby Lane Shutt » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:19 am

msprange wrote:Hi guys,

Overall, the game is much as you remember it, but there have been a lot of tweaks based on the feedback you have provided us.
Did you ever fix the Grenade Launcher?

IMHO the M203 rules are more like a shotgun than a grenade launcher. It should have had a min range equal to the max range you gave it.
msprange wrote: We are now just wondering how long it will be until someone gets the idea of pitting their Desert Rats army against the Arachnids!
I'm sure this was thought of as soon as work on WWII rules was announced.
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Postby SnowDog » Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:30 am

Rob_A wrote:Mongoose is proposing that you can use 20mm OR 28mm miniatures. Like it or not, BF:Evo minis were somewhere between the two, so Matt is taking a dodge here by saying use one or the other.

MGP are making the games more gameable. I will probably use 20mm as that is what most of my club use. If it get's going, then it should be great. :)
As I have never measured the old BFE minis personally, I am not going to even consider arguing against that. On the other hand I have personally talked with someone who has measured those minis and according to him those minis were (are?) really consistently of that size. But by reading these forums there are many different size minis that are supposed to be 28mm so I don't know what to believe and frankly don't much care as I am not going to mix originally official minis with other minis and will probably go with 20mm myself, too as there are quite good selection of kits for that scale (vehicles etc.).

But yes, I am really looking forward to see how the new rules are going to different from current ones.
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Re: Battlefield Evolution - An Update

Postby MongooseMatt » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:07 pm

Lane Shutt wrote:
IMHO the M203 rules are more like a shotgun than a grenade launcher. It should have had a min range equal to the max range you gave it.
Noob-Tubing :)
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