New FAP breakdown please

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Postby Da Boss » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:08 pm

It would probably be helpful for some one at Mongoose to put the definiative FAP on the website and / or forum as my rule book FAP breakdown is totally different to the one I saw in the Fleet book yesterday.

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Postby Poi » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:21 pm

I've PM'd Matt Sprange about this.
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Postby Da Boss » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:30 pm

I put a thread in Rulemasters as well in case that helps - I imagine a simple listing of the definative FAP plus the possible breakdowns (al la the one in the new fleet book) will sort all this out nicely

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Postby MustEatBrains » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:31 pm

hegemon wrote:
now that's just silly. see, we got into this mess when they started allowing multi-breakdowns. I'm beginning to miss 1E's simple breakdown!
split a FAP once and be done!
from the way i read the rulebook and fleet list for 2e, it is simple, i did't see any mention
for example you have a battle point that you split down to 4 skirmish points and then use 2 skirmish points to buy a raid ship.
you either go for 1 point buys x ships or break it down to 1X>2x>1x2Y>etc
not 1 battle > 4 skir >2 raid then back to what ever
Wasn´t "buying up" part of the playtests, but then dropped?

As far as I know, you can combine the ways for "buying down" though. So, you could split 1 Armageddon ino 1 War and 2 battle, and then split down one of those battles into 3 (or is 2 levels down 4 now?) skirmish ships. Matt said something like "no reason why those techniques shouldn´t be combined" in a thread a few days ago.
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Postby Right Hand of God » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:55 pm

It's not good news that the tables differ between the rule book and the fleet book. This is a huge discrepancy from what appears to be something that is causing enough confusion already.
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Postby katadder » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:00 pm

the Fleetbooks are the actual one. the rules books differ as they came out earlier. same as the rulebook has some ships with slightly differant stats. when dealing with ships use the fleet lists.
there is a table with all (hopefully) breakdowns available.
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Postby Right Hand of God » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:10 pm

It wasn't by design that they came out earlier it was down to errors and problems, so the order they actuall come out in cannot be used to say one is more valid than the other until MGP come out with something official. Which, considering the number of threads, posts and differing views on what can be split in to what would be very nice indeed. (You listening Mr MGP?) And preferably before the rest of us get our hands on the books next week
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Postby MustEatBrains » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:45 pm

Haven´t there been some last-minute adjustments to the fleet book? In that case, even though the books were meant to be released at the same time, Mongoose could actually adjust the fleet books. So, if there´s a difference between the two books, the fleet book should be more accurate
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Postby Right Hand of God » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:52 pm

this is daft isn't it :?
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Postby katadder » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:58 pm

exactly, it was stated there were some last minute changes so thats why the fleetbook is the more upto date rules etc for things concerning fleets.
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Postby Right Hand of God » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:10 pm

except you can't be sure what is an update and what has been left in in error
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Postby katadder » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:14 pm

Right Hand of God wrote:except you can't be sure what is an update and what has been left in in error
like to hope more so, as we did see alot more finished stuff. like the troligan is supposed to be speed 10 as per the fleetbook not speed 7 as per the rulebook.
the FAP breakdown perhaps matt will come on and convince you I am right and to use the fleet book version as this is the main rules to do with fleets.
the very basic fleet lists in the rulebook worked with one breakdown, the more advanced fleet lists in the fleet book work with the other
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Postby Right Hand of God » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:22 pm

It's not that I don't believe you are right, or wrong, I just want official confirmation from somebody at MGP
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Postby katadder » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:23 pm

well until you do I would suggest using the fleet book as more official than the rulebook on any areas where they clash ie ships and FAP break downs.
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Postby MustEatBrains » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:31 pm

Since the ship stats in the rulebook are little more than a tease for the bigger lists anyway, I see no problem in using the rulebook version to get into the game, and the fleetbook stats when you want more.

Somehow this makes the fleetbook the first supplement for 2nd edition, and that after a few days - that has to be a record somehow, right? :wink:
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Postby Davesaint » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:40 pm

katadder wrote:well until you do I would suggest using the fleet book as more official than the rulebook on any areas where they clash ie ships and FAP break downs.

Aaargh! This has always been the problem with this game system. There should be no differeces in the rules between 2 books in the game that are released within a month of each other. I brought this up with my playtest report, but it did not get fixed. This is very, very frustrating.


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Postby prelude_to_war » Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:21 pm

How much are we expected to shell out for incorrect hard-cover books?!?
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Postby Right Hand of God » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:11 pm

you'd think that however much we are expected to pay it is sufficient to warrent that that the main rule book and the main fleet book for the much touted 2nd edition of the game actually marry up and match each other.
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Postby Greg Smith » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:37 pm

katadder wrote:exactly, it was stated there were some last minute changes so thats why the fleetbook is the more upto date rules etc for things concerning fleets.
Actually Matt said there were some last minute changes to the way the books were constructed, not the contents. http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB ... ted#426124

I assumed this was to stop the cover warping- see Matt's Planet Mongoose blog on 17/8/07.

I would guess the fleet list will be the correct one, but I don't want to make assumptions until I hear anything.
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