Oldbury wrote: Ok, so how about Mongoose just rush out all the waves whatever state they may be in? How many people would be sat saying "YEY we got our new wave?" Thought so, people instead will complain at the poor quality. Now personally I'm more than happy to wait for models to be released when they're ready and not a moment before hand.
(Not aimed at you in anyway oldbury, its just your post got me thinking, then raving
Not being funny here, but thats not what happened with wave 1 is it?
First they were so poor that Mongoose wasn't prepared to sell them, then it turned out they were, and people still bought them!
More to the point the purchasers then made excuse 'Mongoose is a small company' "GW models took years to get to the point they are' 'Im supporting Mongoose' etc etc.
Obviously this doesn't carry into the wider gaming world, but I honestly get the impression Mongoose could put absolutely anything out and there would be people on here who would buy it, and claim its the best thing they've ever seen, no matter when it appears on the release schedule.
If Mongoose have admitted the problem don't try and pretend everything is alright, or that this sort of thing happens to all gaming companies.
Any kind of business plan Mongoose might have had for BF:E has gone out the window with all these delays, at a time when they have another game coming out, so its clearly not all about quality at this point, at least some of it is going to be desperately attempting to get the game back onto a release schedule (Unless they really are only working on the one wave at a time, which would be one of the main bottle necks in production!).
Mongoose will save it, they have to much invested in the game not too, and in all honesty they have to sort it if they want to change retailers minds about Mongoose miniature games lifespans (Lets be brutally honest here, the track record would be terrible if this dies too).
What am I trying to say? .... Well I guess, just because you like something, doesnt mean its incapable of making mistakes or being wrong does it? DC's continuity is a heaving pile of cack 7 months after a full restart, doesn't stop me liking green Lantern comics though does it?
Marvel Civil war was one of the most anticlimatic comic events of all time, doesnt stop me reading the Irredemable Antman every month!
If you try and claim that every other company has the same trouble sticking to release dates and dont at least criticize when Mongoose really do deserve it then you're going to end up with another SST V1.
Terrible models will come out every month, the people on here will say 'OMG tats teh best model evers!!!!11!!!11!' (Purposly as far from anyones posts on here as possible
) 'Im gonna buy 100!' 'If GW did this model it would cost 100 billion pounds and wouldnt be as good!!!!!!', any dissenting comment in the world at large is interpreted as Mongoose haters from the EE camp, and the whole forum becomes some sort of insulated bubble.
Mongoose will somehow get the impression that whats coming out is acceptable, that people do like it, and that it doesnt really matter what comes out, someone will buy it. Before you know it you have models like these coming out, months late:
And people are still raving about them! Then before you know it, your favorite game is on hiatus, because shops are rammed full of models like those, which none will buy, and in fact damage the game beyond that since potential customers see the pap piled on the shelves and migrate to something else...
Mongoose do deserve our loyalty, but admiting things are wrong from time to time is always a good idea.
For the record I think the current wave of vehicles for Evo is looking pretty good, Mongoose seem to have sorted out the base coats so they look less plastic which is admirable. And I dont think the delays too bad at this point, a couple of months here or there, who cares. But if Mongoose have to switch focus to SST:EVO and the BF:E date slip even further, I think there might start to be some major problems.