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Postby Jellicoe » Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:59 pm

Paladin wrote:If you are giving it the M242, M240 & TOW the unit is going to be a lot closer to 300 pts than 200. It has massive anti-infantry and deadly anti-tank plus APC ability. Look at the Tunguska it has 8d6 MG with weaker armor and is 280. Surely the d10 AA ability isn't that expensive.
You say that, but a dedicated AA platform is probably going to be the most specialised capability around. But no you are right it is a little cheap, I would suggest it has some between 2/3 - 3/4 of the fighting capacity (including the APC role) of an M1A2, this would translate into something between 255 and 320 points.
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Postby tiepilot1138 » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:19 am

This sounds pretty good. I just picked up 2 Forces of Valor 1/72 scale bradley's. They seem to be a pretty good fit. I haven't seen any stats for the Warrior here in the States. Can someone tell me where I can find the wave 2 stat cards?
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Postby Paladin » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:11 am

tiepilot1138 wrote:This sounds pretty good. I just picked up 2 Forces of Valor 1/72 scale bradley's. They seem to be a pretty good fit. I haven't seen any stats for the Warrior here in the States. Can someone tell me where I can find the wave 2 stat cards?
The official cards aren't out to the masses. There are some floating about from the Open Day event at Mongoose's HQ. The final playtesting stats are on homemade cards done by Hiromoon are easily arranged here:
http://forum.evocommand.com/viewtopic.php?t=60
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Postby rvrratt » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:26 pm

Hiro , any chance you could make one of those cool stat cards for the Bradley?
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Postby Hiromoon » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:13 pm

Of course!!
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Postby rvrratt » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:37 pm

Thanks Hiro! I am looking forward to seeing them. You rock!
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Postby Anpu42 » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:03 am

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PilGrim wrote:I would think that the Bradleys Kill no should be less than the Warrior - currently they seem to be surviving combat in Iraq better than the Bradley, but then they would be easier to kill than the WZ which is just a wheeled bus......
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Postby cordas » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:47 am

Anpu42 wrote: The M2 does float, I had a freind that was at Fort Knox when they found out what was making them sink....some one kept forgeting to put the drain plugs back in.
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Postby judgedoug » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:46 am

Isn't the .50 a d6+1 weapon? I'd think a 25mm would be at LEAST d6+2, especially since the 25mm's on the LAV-25 chewed up BMP's in that light armor battle north of Baghdad in '03. And didn't some Bradleys engage and defeat T-55's in Afghanistan?
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Postby Hiromoon » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:18 pm

I thought the M2 was packing a 30mm now.
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Postby Chiwie » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:25 pm

US army "fact" file says its a 25mm

http://www.army.mil/fact_files_site/bradley/index.html
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Postby Hiromoon » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:29 pm

I must be thinking of an upgrade or something then, because I could have sworn that they were replacing the 25mm with a 30mm
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Postby Chiwie » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:55 pm

Hiromoon wrote:I must be thinking of an upgrade or something then, because I could have sworn that they were replacing the 25mm with a 30mm
maybe the US is following the brits in the move to the 30mm cannon on the warrior???
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Postby Hiromoon » Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:15 pm

Possibly... I think I saw this when they were talking about upgrading the Spectre's guns...
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Postby DM » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:33 pm

maybe the US is following the brits in the move to the 30mm cannon on the warrior???
Close - but we are going from 30mm to 40mm :)
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Postby Shadow4ce » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:22 pm

judgedoug wrote:Isn't the .50 a d6+1 weapon? I'd think a 25mm would be at LEAST d6+2, especially since the 25mm's on the LAV-25 chewed up BMP's in that light armor battle north of Baghdad in '03. And didn't some Bradleys engage and defeat T-55's in Afghanistan?
I'm guessing any T-55s defeated by a Bradley had a LOT more to do with the TOW missile launcher than the 25mm auto-cannon. And for the record, diameter does not always equate to damage done. (A 5.7mm pistol round can defeat several layers of Kevlar Armor, while a 9mm won't get through even one). Although, having said this, I'd say from what I've witnessed the Bradley's cannon appears to do more damage than the "Ma Deuce." I've just never witnessed a side-by-side imperial test to verify my sometimes fuzzy memory.

Anybody out there still have access to both weapons systems and can stage a test? Perhaps we should email "gunny" on the History Channel's "Mail Call" program and ask him to compare them? :wink:
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Postby Pietia » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:46 pm

T-55 has max 120mm hull armor - much less from the side. From a close range (say, under 500 meters) the M919 APFSDS-T round should be able to penetrate the T-55 hull armor with ease. It is a vehicle that right now falls into the "lightly armored" category.
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Postby Shadow4ce » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:44 pm

Pietia wrote:T-55 has max 120mm hull armor - much less from the side. From a close range (say, under 500 meters) the M919 APFSDS-T round should be able to penetrate the T-55 hull armor with ease. It is a vehicle that right now falls into the "lightly armored" category.
True, but if you had a TOW launcher, would you allow a T-55 to get within it's main-gun's range of you just so you could "light him up" with your auto-cannon?
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Postby Jellicoe » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:58 pm

Shadow4ce wrote:True, but if you had a TOW launcher, would you allow a T-55 to get within it's main-gun's range of you just so you could "light him up" with your auto-cannon?
Depends if you are on the move or not. Depends on how you find the T-55.
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Postby Pietia » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:27 pm

I certainly wouldn't charge T-55 with Bradley, but if one suddenly popped up in autocannon's effective range and the TOW launcher was empty..

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