USMC im confused

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USMC im confused

Postby Mr Evil » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:12 am

ok the usmac from the cards we have see from hiro, have fire teams of 4 men.

now i was always of the beleif that it was a 6 man fire team. am i missing somthing ?

ie 1 m429 1 with m16 with GL and rest (4) with plain m16s
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Postby Mr Evil » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:20 am

looking at sites you see that a squad is 3 fire teams of 4, but in photos you normaly see 6 ?
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Postby Mr Evil » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:25 am

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Postby Megatron » Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:15 pm

Six men is actually too big to be a fireteam. The USMC fireteam is IRC:

team leader with M203
Automatic Rifleman with M249
Assistant Automatic Rifleman
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Postby Mr Evil » Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:17 pm

so why doese the shadow carry 6 men ?
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Postby Lorcan Nagle » Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:31 pm

IIRC the USMC squad is 11 men: 2 five-man fireteams and a Sarge who joins one team or the other.
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Postby britneyfan97 » Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:48 pm

Last I heard, in real life land, the Marines use the FTRA 4 man fire-team.

Fire (team member w/M-249)
Team (team leader)
Ready (ready team member, can be used as point, or as team Grenadier)
Assist (assistant gunner, carries the spare barrel for the 249, and some ammo for it)

I'm not sure how the Corps does this, but when I was Army, the squad leader tended to get the M-203. But in my company that was more because he WANTED it, and we only had one per 8-10 person squad.
But on paper there was supposed to be an individual fire team member assigned the position of Grenadier

And fire teams are generally only 4. The shadow holds six because live missions arent generally accomodating to what someone envisioned on paper.
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Postby Turtle » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:59 pm

The reason why the shadow holds 6 is that they wanted two shadows to be able to carry a base squad of 9, plus a support or so.

Those are game number, not real life.
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Postby Megatron » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:02 am

Lorcan Nagle wrote:IIRC the USMC squad is 11 men: 2 five-man fireteams and a Sarge who joins one team or the other.
actaully it's 3 fireteams of 4 plus a sergeant.
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Postby Lorcan Nagle » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:19 pm

The box set comes with 2 fireteams of 5 though.
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Postby Mongoose Alex » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:55 pm

The box set comes with 2 fireteams of 5 though.
The box contains 2 fireteams of 4 plus a Sergeant.
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Postby Paladin » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:36 pm

Mongoose Alex wrote:
The box set comes with 2 fireteams of 5 though.
The box contains 2 fireteams of 4 plus a Sergeant.
with the option to add a 3rd fire team on the stat card.
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Postby Lorcan Nagle » Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:16 am

Mongoose Alex wrote:
The box set comes with 2 fireteams of 5 though.
The box contains 2 fireteams of 4 plus a Sergeant.
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Postby patton » Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:19 am

6 is the magic number of the marine corp, its the way leadership is channeled, that your only direct supervisor to 6, i think. idk.
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Postby Helstrom » Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:17 am

Actually, the magic number is three:

A fire team consists of three marines, and one team leader.

A squad consists of three fire teams, and one squad leader.

A platoon consists of three squads, and one platoon leader (and a platoon sergeant and, I believe, a couple of other "HQ" guys)

Etc.

Of course this is purely paper strength. In reality, most units will be under strength due to insufficient recruitment, fatigue, sickness, casualties, and so forth. Particularly depleted squads may be merged with others, or padded with other USMC personnel (remember, "every marine a rifleman" means even truck drivers and cooks can be frontline jarheads in a pinch) leading to all sort of odd composite units.

Depending on the mission, fire teams and squads can also be modified, for example to fit into the transport vehicles made available, as these are usually not designed with any kind of unit coherency in mind.

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