Dumb question about Shadow Cloud Weapons arcs.....

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Postby Tank » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:24 pm

Wasnt the Whitestar built with help from the Vorlons?

And as to bitching about the EA bear in mind 3 distinct era's with distinct capability gaps in their fleet composition and thats over all the era's.

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Postby alien027 » Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:14 pm

Voronesh wrote:Actually the Shadow Could is in SFOS.

And we all know that LBH is human, since he cant paint all his T-Bolts.
Well he might be superrich for being able to outstrip MGPs production rate, but still he cant paint em......
Where I could find it? BTW: Is the Vorlon Planet killer in the SFOS?
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Postby Wulf Corbett » Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:23 pm

alien027 wrote:Where I could find it? BTW: Is the Vorlon Planet killer in the SFOS?
Sadly, no, as of the final playtest. Reason given was the mini wasn't up to scratch (oh, yeah? So what about the Shadow Cloud mini then?)

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Postby locarno24 » Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:48 pm

Wasnt the Whitestar built with help from the Vorlons?
Yes. Which means that unlike Clark's secret agencies, who found a derelict shadow vessel and prodded it with a sharp stick for a few months, and then wandered off and built the Shadow Omega, the Minbari actually had a Vorlon on hand to explain how their stuff worked.....and yet seemingly refuse to make use of this knowledge themselves.
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Postby captainsmirk » Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:33 pm

Shadow tech has shown itself to have the innate ability to intergrate with other technolgies forms. The EA scientists don't really understand it, they just stuck bits in place and the shadowtech handles the intergration itself.

Vorlon tech seems alot more connected with the Vorlons themselves (connection between the various "Koshes" and their transports). Perhaps you need a Vorlon actually there to successfully intergrate?

Dunno, just trying to make some sense out of the stuff.
(plus I agree with ShadowScout that the Shadow Omega and the Nemesis shouldn't have actual shadow weapons, just enhanced EA stuff).

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Postby lastbesthope » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:32 pm

Voronesh wrote: And we get advanced E-mines, which i hope can still short-charge anyway. Actually can anyone confirm this?
IIRC they have the E-mine trait and nothing that says they are in any way different to other E-mine trait weapons so yes you can use all the variant E-mine rules.

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Postby Greg Smith » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:50 pm

Since the advanced e-maine launcher is not slow-loading, there is no reason to short charge it.
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Postby Abraxas » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:52 pm

cap'n smirk wrote:Shadow tech has shown itself to have the innate ability to intergrate with other technolgies forms. The EA scientists don't really understand it, they just stuck bits in place and the shadowtech handles the intergration itself.

Vorlon tech seems alot more connected with the Vorlons themselves (connection between the various "Koshes" and their transports). Perhaps you need a Vorlon actually there to successfully intergrate?

Dunno, just trying to make some sense out of the stuff.
(plus I agree with ShadowScout that the Shadow Omega and the Nemesis shouldn't have actual shadow weapons, just enhanced EA stuff).

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Also, the Shadows are freely sharing their tech cause they know it will ultimately be used to create wars, insuring that weak races die and that the strong races becme even stronger.

Vorlon tech is deliberate, just like their philosophy. If they flippantly gave up Vorlon tech nothing would be accomplished except more war, which is against Vorlon princibles. That is why I dispise the Earth/Vorlon hybrids because they should not exist.

Also, cap'n smirk, like you said, Shadow tech is more automated, as evidence by the "pilots" that can intergrate with anything they youch. Just look at how they latched onto Earth systems so easily as seen by the time Franklin had one in Med Lab and how Sheridan used them as weapons.

Vorlon tech needs to be shaped and controlled.
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Postby lastbesthope » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:16 pm

Greg Smith wrote:Since the advanced e-maine launcher is not slow-loading, there is no reason to short charge it.
D'oh, of course Greg, well pointed out

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Postby Abraxas » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:26 pm

lastbesthope wrote:
Greg Smith wrote:Since the advanced e-maine launcher is not slow-loading, there is no reason to short charge it.
D'oh, of course Greg, well pointed out

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Postby lastbesthope » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:37 pm

It technically wasn't a mistake, you can short charge if you like, would be foolish, but nothing to stop you doing it.

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Postby Abraxas » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:45 pm

lastbesthope wrote:It technically wasn't a mistake, you can short charge if you like, would be foolish, but nothing to stop you doing it.

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Postby lastbesthope » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:47 pm

No worries dude, I was just trying to save face :lol:

We're good.

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Postby Voronesh » Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:39 am

Actually there is good reason to short charge.

You only have ships breakers loaded.

Unless we have played that rule wrong, and you get to choose any e-mine type you want. Midbattle.......
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Postby Chernobyl » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:36 am

good point, short charge would give you back the template in that case...

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Postby Voronesh » Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:16 am

Thats what im hoping for.

Im a sucker for using ship breakers. Simply because the firepower gain at a G'Quans preferred range is huge.
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Postby Lorcan Nagle » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:54 am

lastbesthope wrote:
Voronesh wrote: And we get advanced E-mines, which i hope can still short-charge anyway. Actually can anyone confirm this?
IIRC they have the E-mine trait and nothing that says they are in any way different to other E-mine trait weapons so yes you can use all the variant E-mine rules.

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IIRC the variant emines can only be used by a weapon with the name emine, not the trait (so pulsar mines are SOL). Might be an idea to get a quick clarification on whether advanced launchers count or not. Though they probably so.
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Postby Voronesh » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:59 am

Actually thats a problem.

Does advanced make that weapon a different thing alltogether or does it still count as a normal one in regards to payload.

I mean with stuff like Battle Lasers that dont have the Beam trait...
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Postby Chernobyl » Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:09 pm

It doesn't with the Apollo, so odds are it probably won't with "advanced" emines wither. However, IIRC, it would need to be an E-Mine and not a Pulsar mine...

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Postby katadder » Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:31 pm

altho you then lose the range of the advanced emines if using ship breakers which is kind of the point of AEM, altho being able to fire ship breakers every turn would also be nice.
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