Colour version of 2nd ed rulebook?

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Colour version of 2nd ed rulebook?

Postby Zeke73 » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:25 am

No news on a "deluxe" version of the 2nd ed Conan rulebook? I would buy it ASAP if it was in colour like the Atlantean and without problems like pages falling out...

Please Mongoose, I am sure many people feel like I do. Conan is the greatest fantasy hero, give him a proper great rulebook... please :D
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Postby Hervé » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:35 am

Well, I don't want to ruin all of your hopes, but it seems that colour has gone for good from Mongoose books. Maybe we'll get it back for the 2.5 Edition, or for the Acheronian Edition ! :wink:
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Postby Valsgarde » Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:12 pm

I don't really mind.
I grew up with Savage Sword of Conan comix so conan is black and white for me.
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Postby The King » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:53 pm

I don't mind if its B/W for most books but it would be a pity if regional sourcebooks aren't in color.
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Postby Troll66 » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:03 pm

Mongoose's downgrade approach to its books is a miserable development - i ask you why?

the Atlantean ed and slaine d20 were miles ahead of current fair in terms of production values - i like my books to be as pleasing as possible to gaze upon...call it deluxe if you want but it used to be standard for these ranges.
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Postby Strom » Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:25 pm

B&W isn't bad but when Mongoose uses color pictures and scans them as black and white - a la the 2nd edition rulebook - the result is a blacker, detail less, unattractive image. I know Vincent pointed this out as well and I concur.

I agree with The King - I hope the regional sourcebooks will be in color. They are the crème de la crème of the RPG line and should be treated as such.
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Postby The King » Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:48 am

I think we got spoiled by Wizards and its full color hardbacks. But I admit that full color isn't very good under electric light (too many reflection).
Moreover I grew up with awful layout and B/W. However considering the actual technology, color maps are truly pretty to give a feeling.

As to the recent B/W illustrations from Mongoose's own printer, I am quite pleased with them because the resolution seems to be higher (at least with RuneQuest books).
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Postby Der Rote Baron » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:01 pm

I say MEH! to black and white "color" books!

Black and white with black and white pictures and decent binding and layout I don't mind at all, but we look at a devolution which is not necessary and unheard of with other companies.
Savage World RPB are state of the art (look at Solomon Kane *drool*).
Mutnats and Masterminds dito (slighly less, but still great).
Tri Stat was great to good (okay, some of the sourcebooks and adventures for Sil Age Sentinels were quite awful).
HERO Games has great maps and okay to horrible illustrations (but the usually STAY horrible and usually don't get godawful!)

Why does this happen with Mongoose? It's a pity, really: Great games but with a sad eye you look at middle-of-the-road layout. This is especially so because you KNOW that they were and can be great - they just decide that they don't need that excellence any more ...

Yes, complaining on a high level. But still: My money - I want all that it is worth and am ready to chip in a little extra. But someone says "Nah!" to me.

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Postby DaveNC » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:50 pm

I recently bought the Soloman Kane Book a couple of weeks after the Conan 2nd edition Book, and the two books don't even compare. Solomon has color, good binding. Conan is a black and white and is falling apart. Yes, Conan has more pages, but the presentation of the two books isn't even close. Come on, Mongoose, you're going to have to keep up!
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Postby Padre » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:58 am

DaveNC wrote:I recently bought the Soloman Kane Book
Who's Soloman? ;)
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Postby Troll66 » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:10 pm

doh you got me!
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Postby DaveNC » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:38 am

Sorry, SOLOMON Kane...
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Postby Harlock » Thu May 08, 2008 4:16 pm

Troll66 wrote:Mongoose's downgrade approach to its books is a miserable development - i ask you why?

the Atlantean ed and slaine d20 were miles ahead of current fair in terms of production values - i like my books to be as pleasing as possible to gaze upon...call it deluxe if you want but it used to be standard for these ranges.
Its very obvious why, PRICE!!! the 1st ed was $50, I've seen other colour hardcovers going for $80+ Now if I'd had to pay $80 just for the core rulebooks pluse dice & supplements I'd have told mongoose where to go. Face it full colour glossy pages on every single page is eye candy nothing more. Thats one of the major reasons RPG's are declining, the cost of entry is enormous.

In short, an rpg should be PLAYABLE not just be something that looks pretty sitting on a shelf.
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Postby Troll66 » Thu May 08, 2008 7:40 pm

A good example of an rpg which achieves both full colour and playability would be...

The Savage World of Solomon Kane retails at $49.99

mmm end of discussion I guess.
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Postby Harlock » Thu May 08, 2008 8:36 pm

Troll66 wrote:A good example of an rpg which achieves both full colour and playability would be...

The Savage World of Solomon Kane retails at $49.99

mmm end of discussion I guess.
Lets see, the full colour conan rpg was $49.99, still expensive for just a core rulebook and nothing else, too expensive for many people. 2nd edition, B&W interior art $39.95! There can be no argument, substance trounces eye candy every time!
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Postby warzen » Fri May 09, 2008 1:31 pm

Harlock wrote: There can be no argument, substance trounces eye candy every time!
I agree. And when you have substance and eye candy, it easily beat an horrible B&W reprint.

SK RPG even has a full campaign in the main book !

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Postby Harlock » Sat May 10, 2008 2:46 am

warzen wrote:
Harlock wrote: There can be no argument, substance trounces eye candy every time!
I agree. And when you have substance and eye candy, it easily beat an horrible B&W reprint.

SK RPG even has a full campaign in the main book !

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