El Cid wrote:I don't agree as the Vorlons manipulated but their subjects still had free will to choose (one exception could well be Jack which would indicate that there were others)
OK, let's see, you say that the subject species that the Vorlon's manipulated all still maintained their free will so that they could make informed decisions.
1) These species had their basic ideas about what is right and wrong often given to them by the very people that manipulated their psyches.
2) These systems of belief will all basicly put forward that their is a set order to the universe and that we should all seek to become better through finding our place in that order.
3) Any idea that goes against this belief will inherently be 'evil', and sought to be fought against in these species.
4) As such, the Vorlon's adjustment of these species has biased them and, in fact, closed their minds. This is simply a much subtler way of taking choice away from people.
5) This results in an actual loss of free will.
El Cid wrote:The Shadows took the choice away from those who chose not to willingly do as they wanted. Anna Sheridan became a "pilot" whereas Mordin agreed to follow them in return for their promise to end his family's suffering.
Not so, the Shadows, in both cases, gave both Mordin and Anna a choice. They chose to serve for whatever reason they could justify to themselves. They may have actually come to believe that what the Shadows were doing was right and good.
El Cid wrote:I see the Shadows as EVIL and the Vorlons as a manipulative parant or older person whoes intentions are good but sometimes their methods are not.
I understand, but you have to accept that you are merely basing your judgements on your perceptions of their actions. (Just as we all do) However, I term the Vorlons as 'EVIL' as well. For exactly the same reasons you blame the Shadows. At one point both species were acting with benign goals in order to shephard the young species that were developing in the galaxy. They both lost their way and began to fight over which one of them had the better technique. In this argument they lost their aim and fell into darkness. Just because the Vorlons wore white and the Shadows wore black doesn't mean that they are filling the respective roles.
El Cid wrote:Both groups had the same outlook as a religious fanatic who believes that the end justifies the means.
In that one, I completely agree. The big problems matter, but they are all made up of lots of smaller problems. Fix the small ones and the big ones go away. Same thing with this; the way you solve a problem also determines how long it stays solved, and whether or not you've created a few more.
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