Changes for 2nd Edition

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Changes for 2nd Edition

Postby barovan » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:56 pm

Having been gone for a while I was wondering what changes are planned for 2nd edition. Has there been any sneak peeks?

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Postby sidkfjjteidlkkf » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:14 pm

From what I was told, It will mostly pertain to tweaks of the core system and Major changes to Sorcerers.
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Postby Malcadon » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:07 pm

I hear a lot of talk about it from talk and from the Conan 2 preview, all I know is that it going to have the Temptress as a core class, Solders will have new and improved formation abilities, the Borderer will have the Uncanny Woodcraft ability (you can lay traps and ambushes) as an option to Combat Styles, other classes are subject to change (Noble, Pirate, Thief & Scholar?), some new Combat Maneuvers are added, the Sorcery Rules are going to be cleaned up, the Defensive Blast spell is reworked, new Spells are added, they are reworking Fate Points & Reputation, more NPCs are added to the Beastery (they are mostly urban types like town-guards and harlots), they may even add more OGL stuff to it.

And, this is all from feedback from us!

WOW! Its sounds like its going to be a fat book! :D
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Postby Strom » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:25 pm

Malcadon wrote:I hear a lot of talk about it from talk and from the Conan 2 preview, all I know is that it going to have the Temptress as a core class, Solders will have new and improved formation abilities, the Borderer will have the Uncanny Woodcraft ability (you can lay traps and ambushes) as an option to Combat Styles, other classes are subject to change (Noble, Pirate, Thief & Scholar?), some new Combat Maneuvers are added, the Sorcery Rules are going to be cleaned up, the Defensive Blast spell is reworked, new Spells are added, they are reworking Fate Points & Reputation, more NPCs are added to the Beastery (they are mostly urban types like town-guards and harlots), they may even add more OGL stuff to it.

And, this is all from feedback from us!

WOW! Its sounds like its going to be a fat book! :D
It is going to be phat and fat - 360 pages! All for $39.99. 8)
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Postby Spectator » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:40 am

Please tell me that I will stilll see some topless wenches on the border of the pages!!!!

I loved the fact that MGP had enough balls to do that the first time.

This is not family oriented fun, unless you are the Manson Family.

We want more nudity with our Conan!!!
Seriously!!!!
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Postby Kyorou » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:24 am

Bare breasted babes are needed as a tribute to REH :lol:
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Postby Se Chris » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:53 am

I can confirm that there is a naked woman in the new border artwork.

Unfortunately, because I needed to trim the border a bit to make way for text you'll only get to see half of her. On the other hand, the nipple count for the old border only reached one as well...
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Postby Clovenhoof » Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:05 am

Nipple count. *rofl* You guys are hilarious.

Though I have to say, here in Europe they don't raise a fuss about nipples and buttcracks the way they do in the USofA. At one time, I had some American friends at my place, and when watching afternoon tv, they said that our commercials could not be shown on US free tv even at nighttime. ;)
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Postby Vortigern » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:33 pm

Quite so.

American standards of public decency, while under pressure in some circles to dissolve, appear to have an elasticity which... while allowing some give tends to 'snap back' with vitriol when pressed too far.

I also find the unabashed manner with which Mongoose approaches such material to be refreshing... at least in the context of Conan. i.e. Swords & Sorcery should be all that it entails, to include the nipple count.
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Postby Jeffreywns » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:49 pm

Ssssshhhhhh...... No ones thought to check between the covers of my Conan books at the hobby store- and I live in Utah (behind the Zion curtain) for gods sake! Its bad enough I have to wade through swarms of CCG gaming gretchins to get to the "back room". Dont want to have my books delivered via mail in the "plain brown wrapper".
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Postby Clovenhoof » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:28 pm

If it's any comfort for you, over here Gun magazine subscriptions are delivered in "plain brown wrappers". Or, as I've heard, more like_totally inconspicious_ black plastic wrappers.
You can go to any store and grab some flesh magazines, but ask for an issue of Small Arms Review and you'll get looks like you just pulled out a rocket launcher or something.

I'm not a gun enthusiast, but I feel everybody could be a bit more laid back about those topics. But if I had to chose, I'd always prefer the European way. Make love not war and all that. ;)
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Postby sidkfjjteidlkkf » Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:59 pm

Yeah more T*Ts and A** Sounds good.
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Postby Malcadon » Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:11 am

$40!!! :shock: I paid $50 for the first half-ass book and $55 for the other “usable” book! (345 pages for both) Well, I see I'm getting more for less, cool. 8)

When I open the first Conan book for the first time, I was like “DAAAME!”. Blood on all the weapons, tits on every page, art was ballzy, and Ranger (Borderer) was no dame spell-chucking, hippy tree-hugger. :wink:

I love blood and T&A in my RPG books. Remember you use to see them (mostly T&A) in the old AD&D books, then the dame fools at TSR got all retarded and PC. And the newer D&D game still seams a little G-rated (but that Nymph from the 3.5 MM is vary sexy). :twisted:

D&D is good if you like to play a half-elven princess riding a pink unicorn, but Conan is a man's game!
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Postby Vortigern » Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:32 am

For what it is worth I'd have to say I side on the 'less, or ideally no, smut in public' side of things... and more fully embracing the idea of the average citizen's right to be proficient with and employ violence / weaponry in reasonable circumstance.

But then, I suppose there is a reason we have ended up with separate countries in this world beyond mere geography.

And from what I understand of Europe that reaction to firearms interest doesn't surprise me. Confuse, yes... surprise, no. lol.
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Postby barovan » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:38 am

Wow thanks for the answer and the cool hijack! :D.

My book buying had recently slid a lot and it looks like I will get to buy some stuff real soon.
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Postby rabindranath72 » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:17 am

Malcadon wrote:Remember you use to see them (mostly T&A) in the old AD&D books, then the dame fools at TSR got all retarded and PC. And the newer D&D game still seams a little G-rated (but that Nymph from the 3.5 MM is vary sexy). :twisted:

D&D is good if you like to play a half-elven princess riding a pink unicorn, but Conan is a man's game!
Eh, look at the Succubus in the MM1, and the demoness at the end of the DMG. And then look at the new art of 3.x...AD&D 1e IS Sword & Sorcery, and it shows, by Crom!
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Postby Malcadon » Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:43 pm

rabindranath72 wrote:Eh, look at the Succubus in the MM1, and the demoness at the end of the DMG. And then look at the new art of 3.x...AD&D 1e IS Sword & Sorcery, and it shows, by Crom!
Yes, she is sexy too, but I did not count anything you have to squint at to see the details. One thing I do hate about the 3.5 MM book, is how they make the Marilith look! :roll: The Marilith (aka, type V demon) is one of my favorite classic D&D monsters, and they had to make them as ugly as sin! :evil:

As for how the art in 3.5 has changed. They are still the same clean-cut, bloodless, hair-over-nipples style of art as always. Yes, the new Black Guard looks nasty in a cool way and we got to see some boobies in the new book-o-beasts, but are just baby-steps of what they can do (as long as they don't go over the top like what they did in the Book of Vile Darkness). (note: I dont hate the BoVD, I think they just try to hard to be vulgar)

By Crom, the old art was simple, crude and black & white, but they has their charm. Its hard to say why we still like such campy, woodcut-styled works. I guess is how they look like the illustrations from are favorite books, as most of us old-school gamers are avid readers. :)
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Postby rabindranath72 » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:24 pm

Malcadon wrote: By Crom, the old art was simple, crude and black & white, but they has their charm. Its hard to say why we still like such campy, woodcut-styled works. I guess is how they look like the illustrations from are favorite books, as most of us old-school gamers are avid readers. :)
It always reminded me of the art in the real-world bestiaries; crude art, which was meant to convey an idea of how the author viewed the creatures. Much more conducive to the imagination than "modern" approaches, and much more fitting the genre: a monster manual is about things that exist in fantasy!
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Postby Valgrim Bragisson » Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:18 pm

Well, I hate to be a killjoy, but I hope they don't ruin the game. I don't really think Mongoose will. It's just that I've seen it happen before. Another company really screwed up the Warhammer RPG 2nd Ed. They altered the history of the setting, and"fixed" a bunch of things that weren't broken. They also did us the huge favor of taking a single comprehensive paperback core rulebook, and breaking it into 4 or 5 hardcovers at $30-$40 a pop.
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Postby Strom » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:43 am

Valgrim Bragisson wrote:Well, I hate to be a killjoy, but I hope they don't ruin the game. I don't really think Mongoose will. It's just that I've seen it happen before. Another company really screwed up the Warhammer RPG 2nd Ed. They altered the history of the setting, and"fixed" a bunch of things that weren't broken. They also did us the huge favor of taking a single comprehensive paperback core rulebook, and breaking it into 4 or 5 hardcovers at $30-$40 a pop.
They can't really ruin the game since -like Warhammer - you can always just play the 1st edition. I'm a big 1st edition Warhammer fan but still have had a blast playing Warhammer 2e. Just finished up the epic adventure Terror in Talabheim and it was un-effing-believably fun and demanding! One of the best adventures we have ever played. Better than Lichemaster or Death on the Reik and comparable to Empire in Flames. Wicked sweet!

So in RPG's at least you can always go home to a better edition. But, I am hopeful that the new edition does improve the current game mechanically without losing the uniqueness of the genre it is emulating.
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